what KIND of plastic are these guys made of?

i know it's a harder soft plastic, but i need the technical name for it.

also, would anyone be interested if i made some jap only characters(my possible new hobby) into little figures and released 'em here? i wanna try, if for nothing other than my own amusement, to do just that. i think it's disgraceful that we only got 233 figures and they got way more

i know it's a harder soft plastic, but i need the technical name for it.

also, would anyone be interested if i made some jap only characters(my possible new hobby) into little figures and released 'em here? i wanna try, if for nothing other than my own amusement, to do just that. i think it's disgraceful that we only got 233 figures and they got way more

Welcome to the boards, dude.

Please don't use the term "jap". I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's not cool.

Anyways, the customs sound like an awesome idea. I don't think anyone can pinpoint the exact plastic used. Godbeast would have done it by now.

Welcome.
There is no "for at home use" eraser plastic that I know of. As far as the stuff I use, it isn't a big secret, however, I really don't feel comfortable recommending the stuff I use for just anyone. The stuff I use is highly toxic in liquid form and you must be totally safe using it. Not to mention I hope you have $1,000+ to purchase the right equipment, supplies, and gear. I know Andrew is dabbling in using plastics and molds and he can tell you how hard it truly is. I know I make it look simple, however, there is plenty of art and mastery of the equipment and materials.
Sorry,
THEGODBEAST
PS. I would agree with mimoman on the use of the term "Jap." I am sure you weren't purposely using it in a vicious or derogatory way, but, be a little more sensitive to other nationalities.

HArd rubber would be the best description for MUSCLEs, while eraser rubber is the stuff Kinnikuman are made of.

M.U.S.C.L.E. Plastic!

Welcome to the board!

Welcome! Enjoy your stay.

sorry, i didn't mean anything by it. i just used it as a "shorthand" term. i don't mean to offend anyone, i just didn't feel like adding the other two letters. sorry. and my dad knows some guy that i MIGHT be able to get a break on the molds, but, yeah, actually i expected it to be around $10,000 or so. i knew it was EXPENSIVE. also, i know this isn't for everyone, but i'd learn to handle EVERYTHING first. i'm not a moron. i was just wondering what they used because i wanted to make them as authentic as possible. i even plan on asking the guy to put the Y/S N.T. logo on the back. that's how it's spelled right? anyway, i wanted to know beforehand so i could know the precautions to take. i wouldn't dream of doing something like this unprotected i'm just wanting to do this cause whenever i looked around, there were five or so of the little guys that survived my 4th year of life. they've been my best friends for years.
this is more of a labor of love than anything. i just love the little guys. m.u.s.c.l.e.s so if anyone could reccomend a substance to use so i could read up on possible health risks and decide for myself, thanks.

i think the best way to abbreviate "japanese" is jp. i picked it up when i used to collect roms, and it's just stuck ever since.

You know soran, if you’re just looking for more MUSCLE’s then I would suggest another route. It’s called ebay, here’s the website…

www.ebay.com

You should be able to get plenty of MUSCLE’s for $10,000.

Seriously, I wouldn’t aim for identical MUSCLE’s. It will devalue the current MUSCLE’s. The beauty in Godbeast’s customs is that they are similar to the original figures, but still clearly different.

If you created identical figures, in different molds, it would hurt the hobby. What if you made 20 more DM’s or BHS’s? Then where is the fun in having a REAL DM or BHS.

I’m not trying to deter your new hobby, but I hope you take some responsibility and act in the best interest of ALL MUSCLE collectors.

If you created identical figures, in different molds, it would hurt the hobby. What if you made 20 more DM’s or BHS’s? Then where is the fun in having a REAL DM or BHS.

i still don't understand this logic.

you'd have a real figure, that's where the fun is.

sometimes i think that some of you guys with larger collections only appreciate what you have because others don't have it, and i think that's a sucky attitude.

MUSCLEs are made of soylent flesh!

If you created identical figures, in different molds, it would hurt the hobby. What if you made 20 more DM’s or BHS’s? Then where is the fun in having a REAL DM or BHS.

i still don't understand this logic.

you'd have a real figure, that's where the fun is.

sometimes i think that some of you guys with larger collections only appreciate what you have because others don't have it, and i think that's a sucky attitude.

Toyman are you kidding?

Speaking for myself I would ALWAYS prefer an authentic item to a copy or bootleg. For me part of the fun is having the authentic item, especially with something I am collecting.

Why buy a baseball card? You could just copy the front and back then just tape them together. Or why stand in line for an autograph? You could just copy someone else’s autograph. Better yet you could just sign it yourself!

There are times when a copy is almost the only way you can have something. Want the original Star Wars trilogy on DVD? Then you better be happy with a copy. Want the Declaration of Independence hanging in your living room? I think a copy is your only option.

Sure these are kind of extreme examples, but I see the difference between authentic and a bootleg to be that extreme too.

I don’t mind people having bootlegs or copies. For some people they could care less. In the case of a kid he just might want to play with a DM, what’s the difference if he has a copy? But say I want a DM for my collection. I have a complete MUSCLE collection of 100% authentic items, do you think I want a copy of the figure? Sure I might want it to hold the place while I look for a real one, but some day I’ll want a real DM. And I don’t want to have to wonder if it’s real because there is a rash of fake DM’s out there.

well, that's all well and fine for you, but there's clearly a demand, and people with the ways, knowledge, and means to satisfy that demand.

so, no.

i'm not kidding.

your preferences do not represent a "vangaurd", and the preference of someone who's willing to accept a dupe as opposed to an original is not worthless. it's all about appreciation.

i buy muscle and kinnikuman figures because they're fun. i take 99%my toys out of their packages. i play with them. i'm not collecting them so that i can say that i have them.

i mean, it's clear that you and i have vastly different criteria for what we demand in a product, but neither one of us is right.

you groove on your trip, me on mine.

I would have to agree with Veers. This was also a debate with the BB collectors. By making any figure in an absolute likeness, you will devalue the entire toy line. Seriously, if I were to make BHS, SHA, or DM in the exact same flesh as the real ones, then there would be that many more of what is to be the holly grail figures.

Sorry Toyman, it has absolutely nothing to do with collectors being all upity, it has to do with, if you spent $300+ on a figure, would you want your investment to decrease by a 2/3's? I sure wouldn't! I seriously have found that 99.9% of the people wanting my customs, want something unique. I have had some of the craziest requests for colors from this group than I ever did from the BB collectors.

Also, I just cast Alex's SC and Claw clears and to be honest, the molds are already getting trashed, so after I cast Alex's gitd green SC and Claw, that will probably be it for these two figures! Sorry Johnny, it looks like your order of 11 SC might not be happening. The flex plastic seems to be prematurely wearing my molds out! So I think from now on, I am sticking with the hard plastic, sorry. Not to mention the flex plastic is some toxic sh*t, in liquid form!

Soran1985,
what I don't understand is where did you come up with $10,000 to produce figures? Are you having a local plastics company make your molds and cast your figures? If so, where is the uniqueness in that? That will probably get you into trouble with Bandai or Mattel if you are mass producing them and trying to copy them right down to the flesh color. Careful.

I respect Knuxman's approach totally,
he approached me to loan me some of his figures for molding, then he mentioned he was interested in making figures to have armies for his own collection. He has respected my space in saying that if he ever decides to make some for distribution, that he will check with me to make sure we aren't making the same figures and that are prices are on the same level. That my friends is a person I don't mind helping out, giving advice to, or working with! He is a good guy!

There has been a few others who have tried to pick my brain for info, knowing full well that their sole purpose will be to make $$$. To that I laugh. This whole custom clone procedure isn't a frickin' hobby that just anyone can do and I feel that some people think that is what it is.

Dying figures with Rit dye is a great way for the average collector to have some fun and make some cool creations.

Painting muscles is an artistic talent that some people have (not artists alone) and that is another level of difficulty.

Painting and customzing figures into Micro AF, etc.... they have another level of difficulty.

Then I guess there is reproducing exact clones (I guess I am a cloner). I don't just reproduce already made figures though(although that is what I have done so far with the 5 muscle molds). I have hand sculpted 2 God Beasts and kit bashed a Laser Beast Scorpion and then cloned them! I can paint figures, and I can Micro AF figures.

Now please don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be all kocky, however, it does get to me a little when I hear people talk about doing what I am doing like it is a hobby or a fun Sunday afternoon project. I am not a novice, I am a professional, with an Art degree and years of experience in visual arts. I am not saying that you need an art degree or that you even need to be an artist, however, having these 2 things gives you the knowledge of materials and techniques that the average joe doesn't have.

So as far as giving out information and advice, I am going to be just a little particular and if I offend, sorry, at least everyone knows where I am coming from.
Sorry for the length of this post.
THEGODBEAST

Toyman you totally lost me on your last post. I never said any thing about it being “worthless”. And why do you think I collect MUSCLE? Because they’re AREN’T fun? I agree we have different collecting mentalities, but I’m not sure your responses were to my post.

And Beast I agree with you 100%, what more can I say? But NEVER apologize for long posts, it’s worlds better than someone just posting, “lol” or “Yeah.” or “ "

also, would anyone be interested if i made some jap only characters

JAP=Jeresy Allpro Wrestling

Welcome to the forums

im gonna throw my 2 cents into this

super rares like SHA BHS and DM are all in kinniku form also so its not like theres only 1 figure or 1 mold

as for them being in the MUSCLE plastic thats a diffrent story

If someone wanted a super rare just because they liked the figure and not for the value just track down the kinniku version of it

The Akia store had DM in a kinnku form for a little while i remeber

Sorry Toyman, it has absolutely nothing to do with collectors being all upity, it has to do with, if you spent $300+ on a figure, would you want your investment to decrease by a 2/3's?

see, that's just it.

1) you're not going to get $300 out of me for a toy. ever.
2) when you start looking at a toy as an investment, you're no longer a toy collector, but a commodity investor.

so, if i had a "rare" that would require that i'd payed less than $20 for it, and if it lost 2/3rds of it's monetary value, i couldn't care less. if i really cared about money, after all, i'd save mine instead of buying small rubber toys with it.

i mean, we all remember that these are just toys, right?!

Toyman you totally lost me on your last post. I never said any thing about it being “worthless”.

from what i've read, i get the impression that you don't value the motivation of people who have different collecting motivations and criteria, that's all.

i'm sorry if i threw you off with that.

godbeast, trust me, i don't think of this as just a fun sunday afternoon activity. i just saw some characters in the manga that i wanted in my collection without having to wait for them to come up from hong kong. and yes, i'm VERY familiar with ebay. i use them quite often actually. but i just want to make my own, not just add to my collection. and any figures that were brought here, i won't touch 'em. also, in the case of good ol' MM, i wouldn't make any REPRODUCTIONS. only new poses and looks that were only available in JP. this would only be an alternative to paying 8.50 for two kinnikuman figures. also, if anyone was interested in obtaining them, i'd sell 'em for about a quarter or so each just enough for the postage costs. i've got a job already. anyway, i just want to try this. but i'm also going to go to various classes to learn as much as i can. also, don't be afraid of me cheapening you guys' satan crosses, black hole sunshines and "spinning" head ashuraman figures. they'd still be as valuable as they are today. and also, i just meant i knew it'd be expensive. i knew my methods wouldn't possibly be over $2,000. and no, i'm not going to do anything that might cause a lawsuit. according to my mom, my dad knows a guy that might be able to make the molds. hopefully we'd be able to strike a deal. well that's it for now, and just so you guys know, i'm dead set with this.

I don’t want to speak for Godbeast, but my take on the financial loss is this. If a figure goes up or down by market value, then that is okay. But if you paid $300 for a figure, then it’s value went down because of a bunch of fake figures then you would probably be a little bummed. You had shelled out your money for a valuable figure only to have a bunch of fake figures take away that value. Remember I’m talking market value here, not personal value. I think toy prices can be crazy too, but that doesn’t mean that the market doesn’t allow for a toy to have an outrageous price.

Philly made a GREAT point too, you can get a DM other ways without devaluing the current MUSCLE figure.

Also what gave you the impression that I “don't value the motivation of people who have different collecting motivations and criteria”? You keep reading much more into my posts than what is there. Take my words at face value, I’m just trying to convey my ideas as effectively as possible. Sometimes I may not be entirely clear, but I think I do a pretty good job attempting to articulate what I’m trying to say.

so if im reading all this correctly we might have another Godbeast on our hands soon?

After reading soran’s latest post I’m not really worried anymore. It just seems weird.

He doesn’t want to pay $8.50 for 2 figures, but $2000 for creating new figures is ok.

And he’s going on his Mom’s word that his Dad might know somebody.

Maybe he’ll get them made, but it just seems rather weird after this latest information.

He doesn’t want to pay $8.50 for 2 figures, but $2000 for creating new figures is ok.

that is weird now that i think about it

so if im reading all this correctly we might have another Godbeast on our hands soon?

maybe. but i've seen his work, and maybe in another ten years i'd be at his level. but in short, yeah, i guess if you mean another custom maker but he'll probably always greatly surpass me. i bow to you, godbeast. your talents truly are awesome

hey, i'd rather pay more and be able to make figures at will than pay less for two. i mean, really, why would i pay 8.50 when i could pay more to make as many figures as i want? that's my way of thinking. but yeah, it did sound kinda wierd. but naturally, that's how it works. also, as a collector, if i were to make them, i'd take SOME sort of precaution to ensure that the actual figures don't change the value of the official figures. and if they did lower the value, production would immediately cease. i'm a fan. i wouldn't think of lowering my collection's value.