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[normalbrains]

i have been collecting muscles for years but just started reading about the rare and uncommon ones online. could you hardcore muscle heads share your info??

first off i understand that there are several uncommon muscles such as 189, 195 and Satancross.

also there seems to be super rares such as the spinning head guy.

1.) what are all of the uncommon muscles you know of?

2.) does antbody have info on the spinning head guy?

also, if theres any cool american muscles i havent mentioned, please inform me. thanks!

[Wraith]

check out the FAQ forum please it should answer all your questions. also use the search button as all these topics have been covered extensively. thanks.

[Sniper33]

Try this site and do some looking there. Unless you already tried them.

http://www.newellsys...uscle/index.asp

[normalbrains]

thanks sniper

which figures have yall personally had difficulty obtaining?

[max powerz]

Its been said a million of times but they all are about the same rareity with 3 exceptions. Back to the normals, the #189 and 195 are just popular molds, there is nothing special about them $ wise. Satan cross isnt on the poster, which makes him more valueable to collectors. In the original M.U.S.C.L.E. plastic he is only found in the "flesh" color. He is just as easy to find as the other molds, people will just shell out more for him, but this is what I have been told I do not personally own one but that is because I will not shell out more than $1 for him presently unless MOC because of what $ I have right now.

The Spinning Head ashura man there have only been 2 seen in M.u.s.c.l.e plastic, in kinkishi form they are comon, not super easy to get, youll still have to pay some money, but you wont pay anywear near the price

The Black hole sunshine there have been two seen, same schitic

The "drunkin master" there is only one in existance, ask phillymadison to talk about it since he has the bragging rights

But thats it in a nut shell and I am only reguratating whats easily found either at MPS, Nate's site, here, and all the fun lovin muscle fan sites.

[arforbes]

thanks sniper

which figures have yall personally had difficulty obtaining?

There are now four known Spinning Head Ashuraman figures. I own one, El Midgetron (JShurt) owns one, another person who won one a long time ago off ebay with whom we have lost contact with owns one, and Philly Madison owns on that is missing it's head.

There are two known Blackhole Sunshine figures. Damon and myself own one of each and it is speculated that there are of course more of these along with the others out there.

Philly owns the only known Drunken Master figure. He got it in a lot off ebay that had a crappy picture and passed right by us. He was the lucky winning bidder. We believe there to be more of these too.

It is also very likely that more molds of other Supere Rares exist and are waiting to be found. Only time and patience will tell.

[max powerz]

There are now four known Spinning Head Ashuraman figures. I own one, El Midgetron (JShurt) owns one, another person who won one a long time ago off ebay with whom we have lost contact with owns one, and Philly Madison owns on that is missing it's head.

I knew my number was off...

[arforbes]

Reference pics...

SATANCROSS

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[arforbes]

SPINNING HEAD ASHURAMAN

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Edited by arforbes, 10 August 2003 - 06:37 PM.

[arforbes]

BLACKHOLE SUNSHINE

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Edited by arforbes, 10 August 2003 - 06:38 PM.

[arforbes]

DRUNKEN MASTER

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[Sniper33]

Dont forget about the Magenta Claw (#153). There probley was lots of Drunken Masters, but little kids either threw him away, blew him to bits with firecrckers, and such.

[arforbes]

Aaah yes, the infamous Magenta Claw, possible more rare than the rares.

Thanks Sniper.

It is speculated too that a Magenta Claw exists, which would complete the quest for a figure in every color. No one has ever seen one, but this was also the case with the Purple Claw until two popped up on ebay a while back. We shall see if there is a Magenta one day, hopefully.

[normalbrains]

thanks for the info, folks. its definitely appreciated. aforbes- as a serious collector and an authority on the subject, could you please pontificate on the rarity of 153, 189, 195 and satancross in relation to the average muscle figure? do you think they are just more popular (as max powers has speculated) or do you think they were actually printed in fewer numbers? as im sure youve dealt with thousands of muscles and purchased many large lots, any personal anecdotes, theories or observations are welcome.

[arforbes]

thanks for the info, folks. its definitely appreciated. aforbes- as a serious collector and an authority on the subject, could you please pontificate on the rarity of 153, 189, 195 and satancross in relation to the average muscle figure? do you think they are just more popular (as max powers has speculated) or do you think they were actually printed in fewer numbers? as im sure youve dealt with thousands of muscles and purchased many large lots, any personal anecdotes, theories or observations are welcome.

Well, like Satancross, #153 #189 and #195 are probably almost as hard to find. I think they pop up just as much as Satancross, maybe slightly more common than the Satancross figure. I think it is possible that they were of lesser numbers than the rest, which could be why we see less of them, but I still think Satancross is more rare than #153 #189 and #195. I have seen far more of #153 #189 and #195 in packaging like the 4-Pack, but only two or three Satancross 4-Packs...EVER. Satancross apears to be more rare to me than the other three and these three are definitely harder to come by than the other normal figures, but that's from my own personal observations.

As far as the Super Rares go, (Spinning Head Ashuraman, Blackhole Sunshine, and Drunken Master) none have ever been seen in packaging. The day that happens will be confirmation of their legitimacy as true M.U.S.C.L.E. figures...not to mention a bidding war like no other on ebay from members of the M.U.S.C.L.E. community!

Edited by arforbes, 10 August 2003 - 07:41 PM.

[Tortle]

Here's an excerpt from the Collecting FAQs on my site...

A MUSCLE's "rarity" is primarily attributable to the demands and perceptions of collectors. The Hand (#153), Spinning Top Sunshine (#195) and Meat (#60, #189) are usually some of the more popular MUSCLEs, so more collectors want them. Additionally, Satan Cross isn't on the poster, so collectors assume he's rare. The people who own these perceived "rare" MUSCLEs aren't willing to part with them. Even though they were all most likely produced in the same (or greater) quantity as other MUSCLEs, there's less of them in circulation and a greater demand for them... and so, collectors view these figures as "rare".

When I first started collecting MUSCLEs about 6 years ago, I saw little difference in the availability of the "rares" like 153, 195, and 189. When more collectors started showing up, they started hoarding these figures, and they started getting "rare". I still see these figures in Ebay auctions in relatively good frequency, so you shouldn't have too much of a problem buying them. But trading for them may be somewhat troublesome...

-Nathan

[phillymadison]

DRUNKEN MASTER

accept no imatations

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[arforbes]

DRUNKEN MASTER

accept no imatations

Haha! Sorry Phil, I had no other close-up pic of the real "M.U.S.C.L.E." deal!

Of course the one I posted is just a regular Kinnikuman and NOT the M.U.S.C.L.E. version.

[AmoiMan]

I'd have to say that I think 153, although a very popular sculpt, is not as uncommonly found as 195 or 189.

[arforbes]

I'd have to say that I think 153, although a very popular sculpt, is not as uncommonly found as 195 or 189.

That is true, I also see many more of #153 than #195 or #189. The Claw tends to pop up a lot more in auctions.

[Mr.Monster]

I'm new here, so please forgive my ignorance. I was just curious why people assume that Blackhole Sunshine, Drunken Master, Satan Cross, Spinning head Ashuraman, etc. are American M.U.S.C.L.E. and not Kinkeshi. Is it due to the rigidness of the plastic? Thanks for the help.

[arforbes]

I'm new here, so please forgive my ignorance. I was just curious why people assume that Blackhole Sunshine, Drunken Master, Satan Cross, Spinning head Ashuraman, etc. are American M.U.S.C.L.E. and not Kinkeshi. Is it due to the rigidness of the plastic? Thanks for the help.

It's not only because of the plastic rigidness, but because the plastic is EXACTLY the same as M.U.S.C.L.E. plastic. Even the smell is the same. THe color also matches exactly. I own two Super Rares, Blackhole Sunshine and Spinning Head Ashuraman, and trust me, they are 100% real M.U.S.C.L.E., no doubt in my mind. Now whether they originated here in the U.S. or not, possibly Canada or Latin America, is a different story and a mystery we have been trying to solve for quite some time.

[arforbes]

Here's a link to one of our Super Rare discussions here...

http://www.littlerub...?showtopic=3728

It may be able to answer some questions you may have.

[arforbes]

And pinned at the top of this forum is a discussion on some research that one of our board administrators, General Veers, did on the possible origins of the Super Rares.

http://www.littlerub...&hl=super rares

A lot of interesting information, you should take a look at this.