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[b00sted]

I really hope Zach will magically appear and tell me everything will be ok... but I just dunno lol

[FANtomCore]

oh my, that dragonfly looks terrible, i hope it's an incomplete shot and not a final product.

[jkaris]

That has to be pre-armor or a photoshop joke. I doubt anyone in production would let that thing go public. It is that bad. You can tell it isn't legit, or if it is, it isn't final when you compare it to the Gator and Ram, both of which are pretty damn sweet!

Here is what I imagine the actual final dragonfly will be close to:
http://www.littlerubberguys.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=120767

[ironmask]

Hahahahahahaha

It looks like shit.
I hope that isn't all, haha, otherwise, I'll have to get a bigger soapbox.

[b00sted]

over at MM forums Zach posted this.. which leads me to believe what we see is what we get for SDCC.

The Zik Minimate was put together for fun -- none of the Series 1 sculpts were gonna be ready in time. It doesn't represent the line, but you'll see Series 1 at SDCC, and you'll want to get the Dragonfly to fight the Scorpion. Pretty sure that reflects the control art I showed at C2E2, though -- those wings were too cool not to re-use.

sadly I am unimpressed and now questioning sticking with the DST line over the saga line :/

[Kingjaja]

over at MM forums Zach posted this.. which leads me to believe what we see is what we get for SDCC.




sadly I am unimpressed and now questioning sticking with the DST line over the saga line :/

The dragonfly looks nothing like the ram, it must just be an addition or something unrelated with the two pack.... I cannot see them releasing that dragonfly with the intentions that the rest of the line will look anything like it. There is no consistency, they look nothing alike.


Lets hope Zach can explain this for us.

[DSTZach]

The Dragonfly is a one-off created for the show out of existing parts -- a bonus figure to the first painted Vorin, if you like. He won't be in Series 1. Series 1 tooling wasn't going to be ready by the show, or we would have made one of them.

He'll look slightly different in production -- translucent wings, and I think he's been scaled down too small -- but he's a lot more of a Minimate than the rest of the line, that's for sure.

Obviously, he's not this board's cup of tea, but Series 1 will be on display at the show, and you'll see the designs then.

Sadly I am unimpressed and now questioning sticking with the DST line over the saga line :/

So I shouldn't save you a business card?

Edited by DSTZach, 04 June 2012 - 12:09 PM.

[Toxoviper]

over at MM forums Zach posted this.. which leads me to believe what we see is what we get for SDCC.




sadly I am unimpressed and now questioning sticking with the DST line over the saga line :/

Why would you be sticking with DST over Beast Saga ?

[glass67]

I wasn't a fan at all of the ram figure, but this one is garbage. On the other hand, this fig really makes the ram look a lot better. Was that the plan all along? Hmm...
I'm supporting Beast Saga, but I really hope that fans of the DST "Battle Beasts" have something better to look forward to than this, which is really just insulting.

[FANtomCore]

I think the painted Vorin is good, but what's the point of making a variant with his cloak down reducing his articulation on his arm, I don't even think he can hold his shield properly now. Also the dragonfly is just a spare parts creation and it shows. I really don't even think it looks like a dragonfly tbh. The gator and ram are pretty good, but the dragonfly looks like a really bad custom.

[WhiteLeo]

Oh, my god! The Battle Beast name is going to go down in effing flames! What the hell are you guys at Diamond doing to this toy line? Oh, well I know for sure I won't be buying any ever. Sorry, Beast Saga is the way to go.

WhiteLeo

[ironmask]

Oh, my god! The Battle Beast name is going to go down in effing flames! What the hell are you guys at Diamond doing to this toy line? Oh, well I know for sure I won't be buying any ever. Sorry, Beast Saga is the way to go.

WhiteLeo

Hold on... Zach will show up any day now, to tell you that when you see these on shelves, you'll change your mind, and that... Well, he "Gets it". Haha
It seems awfully apparent, that this is just another shameless, callow, and lazy cash grab.
Sadly, they fail to realize that the BB name will amount to precisely shit, when they are done with it.

[PlasticSoul]

Hold on... Zach will show up any day now, to tell you that when you see these on shelves, you'll change your mind, and that... Well, he "Gets it". Haha
It seems awfully apparent, that this is just another shameless, callow, and lazy cash grab.
Sadly, they fail to realize that the BB name will amount to precisely shit, when they are done with it.

Please stop beating around the bush and tell us how you REALLY feel about BB mimi-mates.

hehe.

[ironmask]

Please stop beating around the bush and tell us how you REALLY feel about BB mimi-mates.

hehe.

I think they are horrible, and have more esteem for movement I had after lunch.

[cassel87]

It seems awfully apparent, that this is just another shameless, callow, and lazy cash grab.
Sadly, they fail to realize that the BB name will amount to precisely shit, when they are done with it.

i have to agree. the insect sculpt made it clear, this line will probably only be collected by minimate collectors.

[Toxoviper]

I have thought about purchasing some mini-mates myself from the Marvel and Ghostbuster lines.

But they should have left the Battle Beasts name alone.
It's like having a Spider-man superhero mini-mate line that that is not the Marvel hero we all know but a Six armed Spider Beast.

I would have just sold the Ram if the other sculpts were not ready in time. How long have they had to produce these ?
That dragonfly(?) is just a embarrassment to the brand and to the fans expecting something more.
But to be fair it looks like the standard mini-mate.

[b00sted]

I am not a fan of minimates but was a fan of the battle beasts minimates since they used sculpted parts overtop so it gave you awesome articulation customization etc once series 1 came out in theory but Zik just looks like some Higher up said we want a 2 pack at SDCC and some peon said well shit we don't got time and they went in a bucket of minimate parts and said this kinda like like a dragonfly right? It is funny how a one poor decision a company makes changes a perception on a toy brand as a whole. I was pretty obsessed where I needed to collect everything DST Battle Beast (yes even business cards) to just wanting to see where things go and pick up things I see that are worth while as Zik really made me lose quite a bit of faith in the line.

[PlasticSoul]

i have to agree. the insect sculpt made it clear, this line will probably only be collected by minimate collectors.

That insect has no "sculpt".

It's just a lego block with a half-ass paint job.

[ironmask]

Hahaha, that it is, Plastico. But, this is precisely why I took the stance I did early on... This is what Diamond does with toys, and comic books... They suck the souls out of anything that will allow it. I can't even talk any more shit on the line, because apparently, the shit they are putting their name on will trump whatever I can come up with!

Hahaha, good riddance. Long live Beast Saga.

[PlasticSoul]

I am not even a mate hater. I own the hulkbuster and i think also a silver surfer that i like but THAT dragonfly is just crap. Not even from a design element or artistic viewpoint because it has no design or art. It's so generic it's laughable.

I mean really, look at these fan customs...

Yes they are still mini-mates. Yes they still look like lego pieces. And yes i totally like them both and appreciate the art and design and effort put into them by people who did them for themselves and i assume will never actually profit from these creations in any way.

I don't mind that BB are being redone.

I don't even care that the originals will be tarnished by it.

But geez where the hell are the standards? Even if it's just for money and not for love you can still hire an artist who can make something passable. There is no excuse for not trying.

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[cassel87]

its almost the exact same figure as the pink minimate ghostbusters ghost except different colors.


p.s. that ram still looks awesome though

Edited by cassel87, 04 June 2012 - 07:24 PM.

[DSTZach]

Hold on... Zach will show up any day now, to tell you that when you see these on shelves, you'll change your mind, and that... Well, he "Gets it". Haha
It seems awfully apparent, that this is just another shameless, callow, and lazy cash grab.
Sadly, they fail to realize that the BB name will amount to precisely shit, when they are done with it.

I really hate to do ANYTHING that Ironmask has predicted, but I'll reiterate, Zik looks very little like the rest of Series 1. Series 1 wasn't going to be ready, we wanted a two-pack, and this is what we decided to do. We could have done a single boxed Vorin, but we didn't. We wanted someone for Vorin to fight and swap parts with. It'll be more impressive in final production colors and the correct scale, but still light-years away from the Series 1 figures. I realize this line has been a long time coming, but we're still not quite there yet.

And every company wants to make a profit, but they also want their toy line to engage kids and/or collectors by being fun and cool-looking, and having some sort of a story behind the toys. If we just wanted to make a cash grab, there are faster ways to do it than by taking a relatively obscure '80s brand nobody has touched in 25 years and trying to build it up over three years into something that can support a toy line at a mass market retailer. We back-burnered it for a while and focused on other stuff because we weren't sure we could sell it. Now we've got a great comic, and some great toys coming, and we'll see how well the line does this fall.

[PlasticSoul]

So you know the dragonfly isn't up to par but you decide to release it anyway?

I don't understand that at all.

It makes no sense from a business perspective OR the i care about collectors and the history of the line perspective.

You know it sucks so scrap it.

[jkaris]

Zach, what kind of feedback are you getting on the dragonfly from the Mini-mates group?

[ironmask]

i have to agree. the insect sculpt made it clear, this line will probably only be collected by minimate collectors.

I really hate to do ANYTHING that Ironmask has predicted, but I'll reiterate, Zik looks very little like the rest of Series 1. Series 1 wasn't going to be ready, we wanted a two-pack, and this is what we decided to do. We could have done a single boxed Vorin, but we didn't. We wanted someone for Vorin to fight and swap parts with. It'll be more impressive in final production colors and the correct scale, but still light-years away from the Series 1 figures. I realize this line has been a long time coming, but we're still not quite there yet.

And every company wants to make a profit, but they also want their toy line to engage kids and/or collectors by being fun and cool-looking, and having some sort of a story behind the toys. If we just wanted to make a cash grab, there are faster ways to do it than by taking a relatively obscure '80s brand nobody has touched in 25 years and trying to build it up over three years into something that can support a toy line at a mass market retailer. We back-burnered it for a while and focused on other stuff because we weren't sure we could sell it. Now we've got a great comic, and some great toys coming, and we'll see how well the line does this fall.

I'm flattered that I hold such an important place in your day, Zach.
It's not just my opinion, that these are "Just more Minimates", as you've read... And passive-aggressively threatening to withhold some collector's business card (WTF?), is a petty move.
For argument's sake, let's say the dragonfly figure was just a place holder, and you have a piece that is closer to your ram stylistically... It's still a minimate, and while you have a niche audience, the built in demographic for a "relatively obscure", 25 year old brand is fiercely loyal, hence the existence of this very board we're posting on.
Which kind of brings me to my next point... YOU came to US. Don't get all pissenfrausen, because your timing wasn't the best, with Japan offering us a reasonable alternative to your product... An alternative that hasn't taken a cold piss all over the toy line that we love dearly. Had Tomy/Takara not shown their hand with the whole Beast Saga line, I am sure you'd get a lot more dollars from hungry BB fans... But, the bottom line remains... Your line isn't strong enough to carry ANY weight without the "Battle Beasts" name, and the quality of your toys and comics has yet to be seen. Tomy/Takara's offerings are going to chew up the market you came on this board to try to take advantage of.
You're a company man, and I appreciate that you are excited about the project, and I am sure that SOMEBODY put in effort and time on these pieces... But they are not good Battle Beasts toys, and no amount of posturing will fix that.