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[Tubba]

"It's a past Goldman from an alternate universe!"

But yes, I agree, a new Akuma Shogun sounds more reasonable.

[SoldierAtaru]

"It's a past Goldman from an alternate universe!"

But yes, I agree, a new Akuma Shogun sounds more reasonable.

Well if the Time Choujin wanted the Goldman Akuma Shogun, they should have gone back even further before the Tag Tournament and recruited him before he fights Suguru and, you know, makes up with his brother.

[Tubba]

They use the past memories from the time Goldman was evil to convince the united mask to sell its soul to the devil!


Damn, making up Kinnikuman plot is easier than making up pop music lyrics.

Edited by Tubba, 27 November 2009 - 09:36 AM.

[Matto]

Brittany Spears could use those plot lines.

[Mars]

I just finished reading every page of this thread lol. How far ahead is the mars/jeager tag match from vol 25 of the ultimate muscle manga?

[Matto]

I just finished reading every page of this thread lol. How far ahead is the mars/jeager tag match from vol 25 of the ultimate muscle manga?

Wrong manga arc, wrong manga volume.

Eskara/Jade never had a tag match in vol 25. Kevin and Eskara did though.

[Prometheus13]

I think he means how much time has passed between the Blood Evolutions match and the Super Trinities match.

[Matto]

Memories of worfing.

It's the best kind there is.

[Jenny]

Moar fight between Chaos and the Time Choujin and something about Ramenman idk.





But the more important part of the chapter: Alisa is better! But hey, then why is Kevin still disappearing? D:

Edited by Jenny, 02 December 2009 - 12:11 AM.

[Kawaii Kenni]

I had actually done an entire post translating most of the panels and explaining their meaning. But the forum's problems meant the post got eaten.

Basically, Mantarou brings the series back to scatlogical humour, by saying "He seriously wants to take a shizznit". Yes, he uses the "sh" word. He says this in reply to Rinko talks about being serious. Lightning is quite worried and tells him "The toilets are OVER THERE!"

In the scan to the left of that, something bursts from the wall, making Mantarou and Rinko cry out. Harabote hears something and asks what the sound was.

Underneath, Ramenman cannot believe what he sees before him. It's the Grim Reaper (Shinigami).

I couldn't make out as much from the last two panels, but something happened to the "awakened Alisa", according to the message in the last panel. There seems to be the word "saranaru", in there, but I can't find anything like that.

[Matto]

How many months has it been since we last saw speedo!Kevin?

Three...?

Time flies when you are not important to the plot.

[Tubba]

Jesus, the grim reaper, too?

Farmer-Skeleton-Man?

[Kawaii Kenni]

Disregarding how I read that as "Jesus the Grim Reaper", making Christianity take a turn for the worst, yes, it is the Grim Reaper. Or "Shinigami". "Shini" for "death" and "gami" being a corruption of "kami" for "god". i.e. a Death God. However, the name is often applied directly to the Grim Reaper.

[Tubba]

Considering it's a skeleton in a rag wielding a scythe, it's safe to say it's the grim reaper.

[Kawaii Kenni]

That being my other reason to call it that. Giveaway though it may be.

[TheOrgg]

Wow. Grim Reaper Jesus. Or, in spanish, El Morte Tristo Haysoos.

[Stecase King]

You've got to love how Kinnikuman randomly throws anything it wants into its mythology. It has everything from Hindu deities and Roman Gods to things like the Grim Reaper and Christian God, along with the Chojin Gods.

[Tubba]

Hindu deities? If you're referring to Ashuraman and c:o, the Ashura in this case is Buddhist, the typical Japanese representation of them (Three faces and sets of arms). In Hinduism, "Ashura" is more like "Demon", IIRC.

[Kawaii Kenni]

"Ashura" does indeed come from "Asura" (hence why I prefer using "Asura" - It also stems from how "Asuraman" is spelt all in katakana, as opposed to using the ateji kanji that "Ashura" has). This brings me onto today's mini lesson of ateji, for those like Tubba-san.

"Ateji" is when the Japanese language takes a word from another language, and uses phonetically similar kanji to make up the word. There are at least two examples in Kinnikuman where this takes place. One is with Asura, for Asuraman. The kanji used is 阿修羅. The kanji 修羅 makes up the "Shura" part, and actually means "scene of carnage/battle/fighting" on its own. It can be found in the Dragonball Z image song, "Shura-Iro no Senshi", which I translated a while ago. The "A" which makes up the remaining part of the word seems to be a Kanji accepted as showing the word has to do with Buddhism, as it is in ateji for other Buddhist related words like "Om".

The other example in Kinnikuman is the mountain Superman, The Maunten. This is also why I spell it out Maunten, as opposed to "Mountain". The Maunten's Kanji, making up his name are "Ma", "Un" and "Ten", meaning "Demon", "Cloud" and "Heavens/Skies" respectively.

[Matto]

Sorry Grim, but your powers are absolutely mute in this manga. (and anime, unless you are 4kids)

Time to get off the plot train before it hits the end of the rails.

[Evil Lord Proteus]

Inb4

Spoiler

Enma Daiou.

[Jenny]

Spoiler

Mahogany.

[Tubba]

"Ashura" does indeed come from "Asura" (hence why I prefer using "Asura" - It also stems from how "Asuraman" is spelt all in katakana, as opposed to using the ateji kanji that "Ashura" has). This brings me onto today's mini lesson of ateji, for those like Tubba-san.

"Ateji" is when the Japanese language takes a word from another language, and uses phonetically similar kanji to make up the word. There are at least two examples in Kinnikuman where this takes place. One is with Asura, for Asuraman. The kanji used is 阿修羅. The kanji 修羅 makes up the "Shura" part, and actually means "scene of carnage/battle/fighting" on its own. It can be found in the Dragonball Z image song, "Shura-Iro no Senshi", which I translated a while ago. The "A" which makes up the remaining part of the word seems to be a Kanji accepted as showing the word has to do with Buddhism, as it is in ateji for other Buddhist related words like "Om".

The other example in Kinnikuman is the mountain Superman, The Maunten. This is also why I spell it out Maunten, as opposed to "Mountain". The Maunten's Kanji, making up his name are "Ma", "Un" and "Ten", meaning "Demon", "Cloud" and "Heavens/Skies" respectively.

Yeah, Ateji is pretty cool.

Personally, I would prefer spelling out "Mountain". The name is a pun, yes, but since the kanji have no real meaning to a non-Japanese reader, you really lose both puns by writing it "Maunten". Personally, I would probably write it "Mountain" with a TN explaining the Ateji.

As for Ashura, I prefer writing it Ashura just because the Japanese variant of Asura is distinctly different from the rest of the Buddhist culture (Three sets of arms and faces, as mentioned before).

[Kawaii Kenni]

"Ashura" does indeed come from "Asura" (hence why I prefer using "Asura" - It also stems from how "Asuraman" is spelt all in katakana, as opposed to using the ateji kanji that "Ashura" has). This brings me onto today's mini lesson of ateji, for those like Tubba-san.

"Ateji" is when the Japanese language takes a word from another language, and uses phonetically similar kanji to make up the word. There are at least two examples in Kinnikuman where this takes place. One is with Asura, for Asuraman. The kanji used is 阿修羅. The kanji 修羅 makes up the "Shura" part, and actually means "scene of carnage/battle/fighting" on its own. It can be found in the Dragonball Z image song, "Shura-Iro no Senshi", which I translated a while ago. The "A" which makes up the remaining part of the word seems to be a Kanji accepted as showing the word has to do with Buddhism, as it is in ateji for other Buddhist related words like "Om".

The other example in Kinnikuman is the mountain Superman, The Maunten. This is also why I spell it out Maunten, as opposed to "Mountain". The Maunten's Kanji, making up his name are "Ma", "Un" and "Ten", meaning "Demon", "Cloud" and "Heavens/Skies" respectively.

Yeah, Ateji is pretty cool.

Personally, I would prefer spelling out "Mountain". The name is a pun, yes, but since the kanji have no real meaning to a non-Japanese reader, you really lose both puns by writing it "Maunten". Personally, I would probably write it "Mountain" with a TN explaining the Ateji.

As for Ashura, I prefer writing it Ashura just because the Japanese variant of Asura is distinctly different from the rest of the Buddhist culture (Three sets of arms and faces, as mentioned before).

Indeed. I did so, but in reverse. I kept it as Maunten, and just put a translator's note on it.

[Tubba]

Personally, I just find that "Maunten" looks awkward. It's more or less phonetically identical to Mountain, and it's not really any different from it being written in kana, other than an added pun.


But it's a matter of preference.