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[Matto]

Neptune Man is going to lose this match. It's already written in the tropes damn it.

in ten weeks

[Tubba]

Square that.

[Matto]

I lost track on how long this match has dragged out.

The between the matches fan fiction better be stupidly bad. Or else Serious Cat gets more serious.

[Stecase King]

Let's also not forget that Neptune King was the strongest Chojin in history (well, at that point in the story, anyway), the don of all the perfect chojin and the author of Neptuneman's codex. Neptuneman then betrays him for breaking rules Neptune King wrote himself and which Neptuneman had repeatedly broken before.

Neptuneman didn't betray Neptune King because he broke the rules, he betrayed him because he realized that the "rules" were just a load of crap that he fed to the Perfect Chojin so that he'd have an easier time controlling them. Quite frankly, that would kind of piss me off, too.

[SoldierAtaru]

The only thing the Perfect Choujin had was power...nothing more or less. Neptune King just made rules up to show he had some sort of honor code and control them when in reality they were just obedient sheep. That pretty much made the whole conclusion of the Tag arc epic for Neptuneman...even if it ultimately lead to a lot of the nonsense of the Throne.

BTW: my AIM and Yahoo names are finally up...sorry they weren't there now, if you want to contact go ahead.

[Jenny]

I lost track on how long this match has dragged out.

It started early-mid January.

[Matto]

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[Devon]

I don't have a problem with long story arcs but I do wonder how much longer this one can be taken. After Thunder and Lightning take down Neptuneman and Mammothman all that's left is for them to fight Mantaro and Chaos. I can see that there might be room between fights to put in things like people reacting to Neptuneman and Mammothman losing, updates on the condition of Kevin Mask and/or his mom, so these things can drag out the arc for a couple of more weeks at the least. Then we have the last match between Mantaro/Chaos and Thunder/Lightning and however long that is added on. Then we have to fix all the things time traveling has screwed so that the Nisei cast can return to their own time with Kevin Mask not fading out of the time line and the original cast in a condition fit for the Throne arc.

And speaking of the Throne arc only one thing is still bugging me. And that's from back when that mysterious person in the hood and cloak showed up. Since one of the Yakuza in the audience standing in front of our mystery man had a phoenix tattoo someone here said that it could be Kinnikuman Super Phoenix. And now that I've been thinking about it if it is Phoenix then what purpose dose having him show up serve?

I can think of two possible reasons. The first is one that would cause people to scream and pull their hair out and would make me throw up my hands and declare that Yude is trolling Kinnikuman fans on an epic level. Phoenix, if that's who the hooded person is, plans on throwing himself into this whole mess and thus stretch this arc out for even more years than it's been going. The second one, one that I wouldn't mind but I don't know how anyone else feels, is that he's just observing things and that after this arc is over he will reveal himself and set up a new arc.

[shino619]

I also think that phoenix is the newcomer that will stretch this arc forever

[Matto]

The first is one that would cause people to scream and pull their hair out and would make me throw up my hands and declare that Yude is trolling Kinnikuman fans on an epic level.

Yude has trolled us too many times for me to count. MANY. MANY TIMES.

Pulling my hair out is too nice. I prefer wallbanging my head. On a brick wall.

[Tubba]

Neptuneman didn't betray Neptune King because he broke the rules, he betrayed him because he realized that the "rules" were just a load of crap that he fed to the Perfect Chojin so that he'd have an easier time controlling them. Quite frankly, that would kind of piss me off, too.

Neptuneman, on the other hand, gladly swallowed them for about fifty chapters. But I guess intelligence isn't a requirement for being perfect.

[Stecase King]

And speaking of the Throne arc only one thing is still bugging me. And that's from back when that mysterious person in the hood and cloak showed up. Since one of the Yakuza in the audience standing in front of our mystery man had a phoenix tattoo someone here said that it could be Kinnikuman Super Phoenix. And now that I've been thinking about it if it is Phoenix then what purpose dose having him show up serve?

I can think of two possible reasons. The first is one that would cause people to scream and pull their hair out and would make me throw up my hands and declare that Yude is trolling Kinnikuman fans on an epic level. Phoenix, if that's who the hooded person is, plans on throwing himself into this whole mess and thus stretch this arc out for even more years than it's been going. The second one, one that I wouldn't mind but I don't know how anyone else feels, is that he's just observing things and that after this arc is over he will reveal himself and set up a new arc.

I like the theory that he's just there as a way to bridge this arc into the next (chronological) arc. After Mammothman and Neptuneman get beat, Phoenix will approach Mammothman with an offer, then they'll walk off into the sunset together.

Hopefully that'll be the extent of his interference.

Neptuneman, on the other hand, gladly swallowed them for about fifty chapters. But I guess intelligence isn't a requirement for being perfect.

Bear in mind that he's the same guy who accidentally blurted out Budo's identity in the middle of the match. Neptuneman is more of a brawn guy than a thinker.

Edited by Stecase King, 07 May 2010 - 02:24 AM.

[Tubba]

Reminds me... I find it a bit dubious that Neptuneman is supposedly physically stronger than Neptune King. I mean, remember during the 20 million powers fight; When Buffaloman grappled him down, he tagged with Budo (which clearly indicates that Budo is the stronger of the two, muscle wise)


And Neptune King's legwear is really really durable, given that Kinnikuman could hold onto it during the Muscle Docking...

Edited by Tubba, 07 May 2010 - 02:46 AM.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Reminds me... I find it a bit dubious that Neptuneman is supposedly physically stronger than Neptune King. I mean, remember during the 20 million powers fight; When Buffaloman grappled him down, he tagged with Budo (which clearly indicates that Budo is the stronger of the two, muscle wise)

Are you talking about when Buffaloman was overpowering Neptuneman in the very beginning of the match? Because if that's the case, no, Neptuneman didn't tag in Big The Budo. He managed to skillfully counter Buffaloman and throw him into the barbed wire. Big The Budo is more about using his size to his advantage, whereas Neptuneman is more about power. Recall that both Big the Budo and Robin Mask said they get a strange feeling of heaviness and oppression from his (Neptuneman's) shoulders. Neptuneman may be physically stronger than Budo, but he's not as powerful overall, hence the reason why Budo was actually the leader of the team and not him.

[Neo Muscle]

Neptuneman may be physically stronger than Budo, but he's not as powerful overall, hence the reason why Budo was actually the leader of the team and not him.

When you say more powerful overall do you mean power level? Becasue that would mean Mammothman with his 78 million power would be the leader between himself and Neptuneman no?

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

When you say more powerful overall do you mean power level? Becasue that would mean Mammothman with his 78 million power would be the leader between himself and Neptuneman no?

Yes and no. As we all know, chojin power levels are not accurate indicators as to who's stronger than who, but they do provide some insight as to how strong a chojin is. Big The Budo (aka Neptune King) was considered to be the strongest chojin ever, and this is further reinforced by the fact that he was the leader of all perfect chojin, who were the closest to being gods in the Kinnikuman universe.

[Neo Muscle]

True, but do you think Budo lost some power over time or was he still the same level as in his prime?

[Tubba]

Well, since he jumped into the Thames wearing a Kendo suit, I think we can at least assume he got senile.

[Stecase King]

And the fact that he disguised himself as both Mildman and Big the Budo, despite the fact that nobody in modern times knows who Neptune King is or what he looks like.

Edited by Stecase King, 07 May 2010 - 02:59 PM.

[Tubba]

What's up with the "Neptune" deal anyway? Since they use the power of the Earth, wouldn't "Jupiterman" and "Jupiter King" make more sense? Especially considering they never have anything to do with the sea...



I also wondered how he gained all that weight by walking around under the Thames. He's a LOT thinner in the flashback when Harabote explains the sword boards.

Edited by Tubba, 07 May 2010 - 03:15 PM.

[shino619]

Mariposa had 100 million powers granted by the flight god. He lost to Robin Mask

[Tubba]

I don't recall any of the princes ever displaying their supposed 100 million power anyway... Hell, Phoenix even complains that he would've won if he had the Burning Inner Strength... With is weaker than his native power.

[SoldierAtaru]

Regarding Big the Budo: I think some of what he pulled regarding manipulation of power was an act. He wanted to make it seem like he was the subordinate and that Neptuneman was the boss. Therefore, Neptune King held back power (well that and maybe he just hadn't used it that much in so long since being in the Thames...then again how could he hide there and coordinate a massive Perfect Choujin invasion)

And as for recruitment: somehow it may not be Super Phoenix per-se...but maybe God of Intelligence as Super Phoenix recruiting Mammothman akin to how he ended up making that bargain with Samson Teacher.

[Tubba]

After reading Three men in a boat, I am thouroughly convinced that not even a Chojin could survive in the Thames for prolonged periods of time.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

True, but do you think Budo lost some power over time or was he still the same level as in his prime?

Most likely he did get weaker since he secluded himself in the Thames River for such a long time while doing nothing. He had no competition, so there was no incentive for him to train.