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[Kingmuscle]

well the match is over now we'll get the finals and the arc will finally be over *shoots a firework* also im i seeing things or didnt Thunder and Lightning just kill Neptuneman?

Edited by Kingmuscle, 23 June 2010 - 11:43 AM.

[kinnikumanbigbody]

well the match is over now we'll get the finals and the arc will finally be over *shoots a firework* also im i seeing things or didnt Thunder and Lightning just kill Neptuneman?

YES AT LAST!!!!


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by the way:why i'm not surpised that the five disasters won?

Edited by kinnikumanbigbody, 23 June 2010 - 12:41 PM.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

One thing i thought of, is that there would be two new princes, possibly new villains, and possibly Thunder & Lightning again assembling their own teams, going for another shot at taking out Robin Mask or just trying to mess up history. With their knowledge from the future, T&L could steal team members from other teams or even get Chojin from the future. They would probably need to trick everyone into thinking they are elligible for participation, however, and would probably need two chojin gods to back them up. Satan vould fill in one of those roles. They would also have to come up with some "kinnikuman" identities. I would nominate Kinnikuman Skull and Kinnikuman Iron Mask. This would also be a chance to see Big Body show us what he can really do.

Very interesting ideas you've got here, however there are only 5 evil chojin gods in the Kinnikuman universe, and they've all already chosen their representatives to enter the scramble for the throne tournament. Furthermore, from what we know, Thunder & Lightning aren't of Kinniku lineage, so that automatically makes them not eligible to enter the throne tournament as leaders. Lastly, Satan isn't a chojin god, and thus he wouldn't have any say in the matter.

[Evil Lord Proteus]

Can someone explain to me the reasons why people consider the 20 million powers match so awful? Are we talking about the one vs the Hells Missionaries or Screw Kid and Kendaman?

[shino619]

They just shattered the neptune mask...again! Why is everyone so surprised since this can't be the original or real neptune mask since Sugur and Terryman broke that like a few weeks back during the original tag arc.

this is future neptuneman. he got his mask back in the throne arc during his fight with omegaman.


while thinking about Proteus theory, i thought that maybe Lightning could be Kinnikuman Mariposa, and because of that he wanted to kill Robin and change history. Then I remembered that Mariposa sucked and that T&L are frome the same kind of Chaos and that was why I thought they were new villans.

Again, I don't understand why if mammothman knows that Super Douche will betray him in the throne arc he still decided to leave with him.

Can someone explain to me the reasons why people consider the 20 million powers match so awful? Are we talking about the one vs the Hells Missionaries or Screw Kid and Kendaman?

vs Hell Missionaries.
Because it was long and predictable. Iron sweat was a new concept, but it was another hint pointing the victory of Hell Missionaries. Other fights in other arcs were more interesting because anyone could have won. The first time you saw Robin vs Atlantis who did you expect to won? Terryman vs Ashuraman, who would won? In the throne arc Kinnikuman lost against Mixer Taitei and we saw Meat fighting! And he won the first fight! could he won one more fight withouth help? will he lose and die? will he be saved by terry and robin? How many disguises Snegator has? Will Kinnikuman defeat him? Yay! he defeated him! but wait, Suguru died!

Predictable fights were short and full of action, Ramenman vs Motorman, Buffaloman vs Warsman, Teacher and Student combo vs Hell Missionaries, etc.

Edited by shino619, 23 June 2010 - 01:57 PM.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

vs Hell Missionaries.
Because it was long and predictable.

I'm sorry, but this is BS. Muscle Brothers (Kinnikuman and Terryman) vs. Stray Devil Chojin Combo (Ashuraman and Sunshine) was 10 chapters long, and we knew that the Muscle Brothers weren't going to lose, especially after what happened to Prince Kamehame. 20 million powers vs. Hell's Missionaries was 9 chapters long, and of course the latter team wasn't going to lose since they were the big bads of the dream tag arc.

[Matto]

why i'm not surpised that the five disasters won?

Yude forgot to add the plot surprises. You shouldn't be surprised.

Hooray, another few weeks before the cycle starts again! Maybe this time we'll get INTERESTING PLOT.

[Evil Lord Proteus]

Am i the only one who thinks it would have been better if Warsman went on to face the Five Disasters with Mamothman instead of Neptuneman?

Also i still dont buy that T&L could be anyone other than Chojin Gods or Neptune King and Omegaman. Them being anyone else doesnt explain why they have all these magic powers that come from nowhere.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Am i the only one who thinks it would have been better if Warsman went on to face the Five Disasters with Mamothman instead of Neptuneman?

Also i still dont buy that T&L could be anyone other than Chojin Gods or Neptune King and Omegaman. Them being anyone else doesnt explain why they have all these magic powers that come from nowhere.

Warsman getting some more spotlight would have been nice. He's easily comparable to the elites of the justice chojin, but Yudetamago always tries to find a way to have him sit on the sidelines.

It's entirely possible that T&L could just be new characters.

[Evil Lord Proteus]

It's entirely possible that T&L could just be new characters.

That would make them less likable.

Oh dont mind us, just appearing out of nowhere, beating the shizznit ouf of EVERY character you ever loved, making all the most SKILLED and POWERFUL characters look like JOKES, almost NEVER getting hit or damaged by any other character and when we do get damaged by attacks that would instantly DESTROY anyone else, we just get up like its nothing and shizznit ALL OVER OUR OPPONENTS FACE.

[Kingmuscle]

i wouldnt worry about the 5 disasters its obvious Mantarou and Chaos will defeat them the main hero never loses as cheesy as it sounds with the exception of when Kevin finally gave Mantarou the butt kicking he desevered and nice sig Proteus

[Tubba]

About Neptuneman's arm, maybe they used the optical fibers he rips people's faces off with to ruin it?

[kinnikumanbigbody]

About Neptuneman's arm, maybe they used the optical fibers he rips people's faces off with to ruin it?

neptuneman used the cross bomba too many times.

[Tubba]

Warsman getting some more spotlight would have been nice. He's easily comparable to the elites of the justice chojin, but Yudetamago always tries to find a way to have him sit on the sidelines.

It's entirely possible that T&L could just be new characters.

Warsman was supposed to be super-powerful when he was introduced but he kind of fell back... His greatest achievements are breaking Buffaloman's horn and defeating the weakest member of Team Zebra. Other than that he mostly spent his time dying, didn't he?

Though, he was SUPPOSED to fight Mammothman and I guess they had a lot of confidence in him since Mammothman was obviously very powerful. But I wouldn't put Warsman up there with Robin Mask and Ramenman (from what I've seen the two strongest Idol Chojin), but he's probably stronger than Brocken Jr. and Geronimo. Maybe around Terryman... Though Terryman really only gets to show his true skills (or lack of thereof) against Ashuraman/Sunshine and Neptuneman/Neptune King, and King the 100 ton. His strength mainly seems to be "HI I R AMERIKUN"; As Kamehame said, "I didn't pick you for your fighting skills, but for your youth and guts!". So yeah, Terryman can't really fight, but at least he's young and courageous!


Terryman wasn't stupidly American enough anyway. He should've found a secret ultimate technique on the back of the Constitution or something.

Edited by Tubba, 25 June 2010 - 10:52 AM.

[Evil Lord Proteus]

Warsman was supposed to be super-powerful when he was introduced but he kind of fell back... His greatest achievements are breaking Buffaloman's horn and defeating the weakest member of Team Zebra. Other than that he mostly spent his time dying, didn't he?

Though, he was SUPPOSED to fight Mammothman and I guess they had a lot of confidence in him since Mammothman was obviously very powerful. But I wouldn't put Warsman up there with Robin Mask and Ramenman (from what I've seen the two strongest Idol Chojin), but he's probably stronger than Brocken Jr. and Geronimo. Maybe around Terryman... Though Terryman really only gets to show his true skills (or lack of thereof) against Ashuraman/Sunshine and Neptuneman/Neptune King, and King the 100 ton. His strength mainly seems to be "HI I R AMERIKUN"; As Kamehame said, "I didn't pick you for your fighting skills, but for your youth and guts!". So yeah, Terryman can't really fight, but at least he's young and courageous!


Terryman wasn't stupidly American enough anyway. He should've found a secret ultimate technique on the back of the Constitution or something.

I was always under the impression that Terryman was portrayed as "almost as good" as Kinnikuman, but not quite... and ocasionally they rolled him out to be beaten to make the readers think his opponent is serious effing business, having beaten the "almost as good as kinnikuman" guy. The only undignifying time Terryman lost was to Motorman, every other time he had a really good and respectable reason to lose. Hell, the only reason he didnt participate against Team Phoenix was because he was hospitalised by letting Surugu go the Muscle Spark Counter on him about TWENTY TIMES.

Speaking of, i really aught to start working on my rewrite again. One of the things i was trying to achieve was to give characters the respect they deserve, including Terryman. And i never did write down the final story arc - Wrath of Kyo no Sho.

[Tubba]

Hell, the only reason he didnt participate against Team Phoenix was because he was hospitalised by letting Surugu go the Muscle Spark Counter on him about TWENTY TIMES.

Err, what? He did the Muscle Spark on Terryman once (and without the Ataru finishing drop, I think).

Regardless, Terryman's power has been kind of back-and-forward. He's supposed to be about as good as Kinnikuman, I guess, but come on, he needed to borrow Buffaloman's arms when fighting Ashuraman. And Robin Mask, not to mention Kinnikuman, was fine in the match against Zebra. It feels more like Yude wanted to get him out of the way since he had so much prominence in the Dream Tag Team arc.

I always perceived Robin Mask as the most competent Idol Chojin, anyway.

[Prometheus13]

Regardless, Terryman's power has been kind of back-and-forward. He's supposed to be about as good as Kinnikuman, I guess, but come on, he needed to borrow Buffaloman's arms when fighting Ashuraman.

But remember, he had to do that since Ashuraman stole his arms.

[SoldierAtaru]

Warsman was supposed to be super-powerful when he was introduced but he kind of fell back... His greatest achievements are breaking Buffaloman's horn and defeating the weakest member of Team Zebra. Other than that he mostly spent his time dying, didn't he?

So...you actually think Motorman is stronger than Manriki?

I still personally think that there are times where "Choujin Strength" doesn't really matter to a fight. In a way, it's mostly just the kick to support an attack and a skilled Choujin who isn't as strong still has a huge pool of techniques that can break a stronger Choujin can still win. Terry/King the 100 Ton is a perfect example of that: Terry may never have the strength but he had the perfect combination of techniques and skills to essentially break him apart. (prior to that "giant fist from the sky making it a draw" part...I didn't say the theory was perfect)

[wrinty]

Warsman seems weaker than the rest of the Idol Choujin most of the time because Yuujou Powah discriminates against robots. Whenever everyone else uses it, it gives them near unlimited strength. When Warsman uses it, his performance is even weaker than if he didn't use it.

A perfect example of this is the Manriki fight. When he completely forgot about his friends (a time where he actually had LESS experience in the ring), he was tearing up Manriki. However, the moment he remembered his friends, friendship power decided to screw over the robot and Warsman almost lost after what he was utterly dominating Manriki. If Warsman became evil again, he'd probably be quite a prominent threat.

[Stecase King]

Err, what? He did the Muscle Spark on Terryman once (and without the Ataru finishing drop, I think).

Regardless, Terryman's power has been kind of back-and-forward. He's supposed to be about as good as Kinnikuman, I guess, but come on, he needed to borrow Buffaloman's arms when fighting Ashuraman. And Robin Mask, not to mention Kinnikuman, was fine in the match against Zebra. It feels more like Yude wanted to get him out of the way since he had so much prominence in the Dream Tag Team arc.

I always perceived Robin Mask as the most competent Idol Chojin, anyway.

They were tossing around ideas for an entire story arc revolving around Terryman, so I don't think it's a case of wanting to get rid of him. Terryman was just an unfortunate victim of "too many Justice Chojin, someone's got to go" and "not as popular as Robin Mask".

[Matto]

I never understood Japan's obsession with Kevin Mask.

At all.

[Tubba]

So...you actually think Motorman is stronger than Manriki?

I still personally think that there are times where "Choujin Strength" doesn't really matter to a fight. In a way, it's mostly just the kick to support an attack and a skilled Choujin who isn't as strong still has a huge pool of techniques that can break a stronger Choujin can still win. Terry/King the 100 Ton is a perfect example of that: Terry may never have the strength but he had the perfect combination of techniques and skills to essentially break him apart. (prior to that "giant fist from the sky making it a draw" part...I didn't say the theory was perfect)

Manriki is a joke. I mean, those Scramble Vice? Warsman TORE THEM RIGHT OFF.

I still don't see why Warsman didn't do a somersault or handstand or something while on top of Manriki, though.

When I think about it there's a lot of Robin Mask in the throne arc. I guess he was really popular. He gets three big fights, after all.

[SoldierAtaru]

Manriki is a joke. I mean, those Scramble Vice? Warsman TORE THEM RIGHT OFF.

I still don't see why Warsman didn't do a somersault or handstand or something while on top of Manriki, though.

When I think about it there's a lot of Robin Mask in the throne arc. I guess he was really popular. He gets three big fights, after all.

But...you still think that Motorman, a guy whose only purpose in life is to be Bikeman's energy source and pretty much just has basic Robot Choujin functions compared to his boss, his weaker than Manriki? I know Terry couldn't really hold out considering how beat up he was and that Motorman was doing the best he could with limited fighting potential but I think you give him too much credit. Besides, the Manriki fight wouldn't have gone the way it did if it weren't for Warsman reverting to his childhood leading him back to his Brutal phase for a period.

And we'll probably never know how Robin became so useful compared to the others. I guess it was just the way it developed...considering he was one of the few that even was there from the start of the Throne...and the series. (let alone the whole "most respected member and former Choujin Olympics champ" part) It is rather ridiculous though considering that Robin's only real victory since the Olympics phase was against Junkman prior to, you know, beating the likes of Mariposa and Mammothman.

[Tubba]

Well, Manriki failed to beat Warsman when he was BRAINDEAD. And Warsman pretty much toyed around with him after that (though the plot robe around the scramble vise is pretty ridiculous). I dunno about Motorman, really. He didn't seem very durable.

Robin Mask... Well, he was initially presented as one of the top Chojin of the world (Stupid of Kenkaman to run away, he probably would've had fun as an Idol)... His first battle as an Idol was what... Atlantis? Well, he lost that one due to losing his mask, right? After that, Junkman... During the Dream Tag Arc, he DID hold his own pretty well against the Hell's Missionaries... Hell, he might've won had he used the True Robin Special on Budo... But of course, PLAWT doesn't allow for that.

And if I recall correctly, they say something like "Robin would never lose to someone like Mariposa!" during the self-pitying chapter... Which implies Mariposa wasn't supposed to be that powerful... But was anyway. This is making my brain into a big knot. Parthenon was... I don't know. Why didn't he just split up when he was put in the Tower Bridge?
Mammothman kind of eludes me. He slaughters the Big Body team with ease (what an accomplishment), but Ataru toys around with him (then again Ataru is easily the strongest character in the manga alongside Kamehame and Kinnikuman), though I don't get why Mammothman didn't use his tusks and trunk when Ataru did the "Big Tusk Suplex" or whatever. Mammothman is obviously ridiculously strong, but his technique seems pretty lacking. I don't think he'd be a big threat without the mammoth pelt on his head tusks and trunk.


I sure hope those studies about lithium meds enhancing gray matter growth are true, I'm sure to need that after this.

[shino619]

that all bring us to one question: Why didn't Kamehame fly to save Terryman instead of climb the mountain?

that's the point, choujin can just carry 4 techniques at a time, like in pokemon. that's why mammothman didn't use his tusks and trunk against Ataru, he forgot the attack or didn't have enough PP