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[Dai Makai]

Yeah. It got off topic. Really off topic.

[Mars]

General Veers. I don't know that guy but I can tell by his name he is a douche.

[imperfecz]

I voted option "C" because I didn't think you should lose to a fictitious character.

[Idol Choujin Showtime]

I know this is a fairly old topic, but I've been gone awhile and just saw it.

Atleast Dirty Baron actually did stuff. Phoenix just had powerups shoveled on top of him constantly.

Super Phoenix Technique List
Muscle Revenger
Raging Ox
Death Body Shoot
Phoenix Stretch
Chicken Wing Arm Scissors
Scorpion Death Lock
Phoenix Mad Heart Wave
Choujin Decoration Tree (with Mammothman & Prisman)

Also, he only has the one power-up... and he only had it once in the manga (at the end of his fight with Kinnikuman), and that was only because the Choujin Gods got desperate because no matter what Phoenix did to Kinnikuman, Kinnikuman wouldn't die.

[Aelia]

I know this is a fairly old topic, but I've been gone awhile and just saw it.

Atleast Dirty Baron actually did stuff. Phoenix just had powerups shoveled on top of him constantly.

Super Phoenix Technique List
Muscle Revenger
Raging Ox
Death Body Shoot
Phoenix Stretch
Chicken Wing Arm Scissors
Scorpion Death Lock
Phoenix Mad Heart Wave
Choujin Decoration Tree (with Mammothman & Prisman)

Also, he only has the one power-up... and he only had it once in the manga (at the end of his fight with Kinnikuman), and that was only because the Choujin Gods got desperate because no matter what Phoenix did to Kinnikuman, Kinnikuman wouldn't die.

....He's still a douche.

[Idol Choujin Showtime]

Oh, I don't argue that. All good heel wrestlers are douches, I just wanted to show there was more to Phoenix than his power up. In fact, Super Phoenix was my fav Kinnikuman villian, and mainly for his techniques.

[Aelia]

I honestly still like Akuma Shogun more, but I can see your point.

I mostly attribute Super Phoenix's douchebaggery to the fact that he did cheat and burn the Muscle Pages of quite a few choujins that I liked.

[Idol Choujin Showtime]

A dislikable douchebag who kills off the best characters and laughs about it... what more could you want in the final villian of a shonen manga?

[Matto]

Yeah. It got off topic. Really off topic.

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I mostly attribute Super Phoenix's douchebaggery to the fact that he did cheat and burn the Muscle Pages of quite a few choujins that I liked.

And he gave Bibinba those dreaded Phoenix cooties.

Phoenix is seriously the Mari Nikaidou of Chojins it seems. Or something... wait what

[Aelia]

Yeah. It got off topic. Really off topic.

THREAD DERAILMENT WINZ ZA INTERNETZ.

I mostly attribute Super Phoenix's douchebaggery to the fact that he did cheat and burn the Muscle Pages of quite a few choujins that I liked.

And he gave Bibinba those dreaded Phoenix cooties.

Phoenix is seriously the Mari Nikaidou of Chojins it seems. Or something... wait what

Except Phoenix isn't Kinnikuman's old girlfriend.

...Or is he? *Writes some awfully tasteless genderbending fanfiction.*

[Matto]

Except Phoenix isn't Kinnikuman's old girlfriend.

Mostly directed towards her unwanted and OUT OF FRIGGIN' nowhere appearence in the last few Nisei chapters.

Because, you know, she *might* ruin canon relationships. Like she did in the anime. Natsuko was so much more bad arsed animated, even with wonky 80s animation. Hiromi Tsuru's voice doesn't hurt either.

[Aelia]

Except Phoenix isn't Kinnikuman's old girlfriend.

Mostly directed towards her unwanted and OUT OF FRIGGIN' nowhere appearence in the last few Nisei chapters.

Because, you know, she *might* ruin canon relationships. Like she did in the anime. Natsuko was so much more bad arsed animated, even with wonky 80s animation. Hiromi Tsuru's voice doesn't hurt either.

Bibinba > Mari, especially in terms of personality.

Natsuko is always awesome. And well, those at Toei are the masters of wonky animation. Only now, they make everything shinier.

[Idol Choujin Showtime]

Yay voice actors!! Phoenix's voice, Ikemizu Michihiro-san, is a personal fav of mine becuase although he has had few starring roles, those few have been as major characters in anime I love (Super Phoenix, Ohta in Patlabor, Onsen-Mark in Urusei Yatsura, etc.). Have to say though, he made for a quite sh*tty Robin Mask in my opinion...

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[Aelia]

Yay voice actors!! Phoenix's voice, Ikemizu Michihiro-san, is a personal fav of mine becuase although he has had few starring roles, those few have been as major characters in anime I love (Super Phoenix, Ohta in Patlabor, Onsen-Mark in Urusei Yatsura, etc.). Have to say though, he made for a quite sh*tty Robin Mask in my opinion...

YAY FURTHER THREAD DERAILMENT!!!!

Hmm, didn't know any of that.

Also, I'm a little confused why so many voice changes happened from the original series, to the throne arc, to Nisei.

[Idol Choujin Showtime]

Well, the Throne Arc anime was because they just wanted to have a new cast, give newer and up-and-coming voice actors a shot. They kind of had to keep Kamiya Akira (Kinnikuman) and Matsuhima Minori (Meat-kun), though, or face possible resentment from fans (and they were right. I kid you not that no Kamiya in Nisei was considered one of it's biggest flaws to Japanese audiences).

As for Nisei, I don't really know, aside from that Kamiya was too busy at the time to reprise Suguru and Shiozawa Kaneto (Geronimo) was kind of... dead. Not sure about Meat, Kinkotsuman, and Warsman, though. Especially Warsman, seeing as his original voice, Hori Hideyuki, played Kinkostuman.

A side note, the only VA to appear in every TV anime is Satou Masaharu. Though, aside from Sunshine, he played completely different characters each time (1st: Buffaloman, Iwao, Sunshine, Kamehame; Throne: Mammothman, Mayumi, Mariposa; Nisei: Chairman, Sunshine).

[Aelia]

As for Nisei, I don't really know, aside from that Kamiya was too busy at the time to reprise Suguru...

Really? I had read on Wikipedia that Kamiya had confirmed that they didn't approach him to play the role in the Nisei TV. He did play Suguru in the first Nisei movie and a few of the video games for the Gamecube and PS2.

Then again, it's wikipedia.

and Shiozawa Kaneto (Geronimo) was kind of... dead.

Why'd you have to remind of that?

Well, aside from Geronimo, he did voice a few characters I liked (namely Aries Mu from Saint Seiya and Rei from Hokuto no Ken.)

This just prove that staircases are evil.

[Idol Choujin Showtime]

Really? I had read on Wikipedia that Kamiya had confirmed that they didn't approach him to play the role in the Nisei TV. He did play Suguru in the first Nisei movie and a few of the video games for the Gamecube and PS2.

My bad, that's true... except that it wasn't a few of the games, it was all but Generations (Galactic Wrestling).

Why'd you have to remind of that?

Well, aside from Geronimo, he did voice a few characters I liked (namely Aries Mu from Saint Seiya and Rei from Hokuto no Ken.)

This just prove that staircases are evil.

Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, he is still greatly missed. They don't even use Buriburizaemon on Crayon Shin-chan anymore because of it isn't the same without him.

[Dai Makai]

And speaking of Saint Seiya, the guy that did Shiryu's dead as well.

So no more Bright Noah or Noriaki Kakyoin.

[TheOrgg]

After reading the American Choujin arc (thanks, TeamKinniku!), I'd say Skullduggery is a HUGE Douche. I mean... he grabs a man's artificial leg and tries to take it to the garbage, then when a crippled kid tries to stop him, he beats up the kid!

Is that not the epitome of douchebaggery?

[Stecase King]

After reading the American Choujin arc (thanks, TeamKinniku!), I'd say Skullduggery is a HUGE Douche. I mean... he grabs a man's artificial leg and tries to take it to the garbage, then when a crippled kid tries to stop him, he beats up the kid!

Is that not the epitome of douchebaggery?

He apparently beat his wife and son, too.

[geniusbob]

Villains that aren't being a douche aren't doing their jobs!

Super Phoenix. Seems like he made a hobby of being one.

[Matto]

That should help me in the voting too.

If you are a raging beer guzzler, you will get more points combined with that.

more thread derailmentz hur hur

[Aelia]

And speaking of Saint Seiya, the guy that did Shiryu's dead as well.

So no more Bright Noah or Noriaki Kakyoin.

...

He apparently beat his wife and son, too.

That should help me in the voting too.

Does this mean that General Veers is actually Skullduggery in disguise? D=

[Idol Choujin Showtime]

There is no Skullduggery, only Zoul... and Kinkotsuman... god, I'm such an annoying purist, huh...?