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[Evil Lord Proteus]

We'll probably learn who the Zangyaku founder was in resurection. It's probably Mammothman, his popularity probably means he's gonna get whored out a bit... unless he becomes a perfect that is thanks to the Time Chojin arc.

Oh, and let's not rule out the possibility that Thunder might return. I cant remember if I've already said that or not and cant be bothered checking...

Edited by Evil Lord Proteus, 27 July 2012 - 07:49 AM.

[AtarusMuscleSpark]

I noticed that one of the shadows has a hat similar to Ski Adams from Nisei.
http://kinnikuman.wi.../wiki/The_Adams

[ironmask]

It was Kung Lao, from Mortal Kombat.

[TheBlazngYudekki01]

I got a question, isn't Akuma Shogun basically Satan in a physical form?

[kevinmask01]

I got a question, isn't Akuma Shogun basically Satan in a physical form?

Akuma Shogun was Goldman in a physical form. General Terror in Nisei (who looks like Shogun, and can be implied to be the Great One due to similar appearance), is most likely Satan in physical form.

Edited by kevinmask01, 29 July 2012 - 04:39 AM.

[kevinmask01]

Also, that evil version of Kinnikuman can do a complete muscle spark. That is something I didn't see coming.

[F.I.A]

Spoiler

Renewed Perfect Large Number Team

"Wh-who are they!?" - Kinnikuman

"Turboman! Crushman!" - Peek-a-boo

"Those from Perfect Large Number who have killed off Stecasse and Karmen!" - Buffaloman

"So those winners are going to fight as well!?" -Springman

"N-No... The amount is different! There are seven of them!" - Kinnikuman

"Aside from Turboman and Crushman, the other five are also members of Perfect Large Number that have come together with me to earth!" - Peek-a-boo

"Speaking of which, last night, at the Tokyo Dome, there were more members in Perfect Large Number. There were those mysterious five which wore black hoods!" - Terryman

"So they have shown up after being restless at the end of the first stage!" - Peek-a-boo

"We sure have kept waiting, haven't we, lowly supermen!" - ???

"Oi, Kinnikuman. Who is that man at the front?" - Terryman

"T-that's what I want to know. I haven't even met him before. Peek-a-boo, who is he?" - Kinnikuman

"H-he is..." - Peek-a-boo

"Fwahahaha! Kinnikuman, the great king of Kinniku Planet. Are you that worried with my appearance? - ???

"Of course I am! If you're an evil doer, I will have to stop you! What would happen if words were out that there was a Perfect Choujin in my beloved Kinniku kingdom!?" - Kinnikuman

With that, the seven landed on the ground.

"We're the second team of Perfect Large Number" - Perfect Chojins

"Just who are you?" - Kinnikuman

"Boshu boshu~ Seems like Kinnikuman knows nothing about your existence." - Turboman

"Kiga kiga. Why, this is interesting. How about going back to your planet and asking Kinniku Mayumi, the previous king about it? That there is a Perfect Choujin in the Kinniku clan." - Crushman

"M-my papa!?" - Kinnikuman

"Enough, both of you. Seems like it is destined for me to bury him along with those hateful memories... I could care less for whatever other insignificant matters. Still, what was that Strong the Budo doing to disappear along with that fat baby?" - ???

"Nyuga nyuga. He won't die that easily." - Grim Reaper

"I know that. However, thanks to that, it has left to our hand to dispose of that traitor." - ???

"Don't tell me, all of you think the same like Budo? Is it a great sin for a Perfect Choujin who lost to continue living in pursue of power!? - Peek-a-boo

"Peek, Perfect Chojins exist because 'rules'. Aren't you just trying to do away from the main faction and happily join with Neptuneman and others who have broken the fundamental 'rules'? It's indeed a pity for someone like you, who was trained by Budo himself, to turn astray that easily. Is that man behind you this influential?" - ???

"...Yeah, at first, I also thought he was just daydreaming. But it's actually me daydreaming! Please wake up. At this rate the Perfect Choujin universe will..." - Peek-a-boo

"Grim Reaper." - ???

The Perfect Choujin Grim Reaper sent out a splitting image of himself and grabbed hold of Peek-a-boo.

"So, what shall it be?" - Grim Reaper

"Peek, if I forgive you here, I won't be able to face Budo, my partner. Therefore, I'll personally execute you!" - ???

"Fine! Seems like I can only convince you with a fight!" - Peek-a-boo

"Don't make me laugh! Do you think you will live fighting me?" - ???

"Don't look down at me! I might no longer be perfect, but I have learned Kinnikuman's techniques from previous fight!" - Peek-a-boo

"Stop, Peek! The damage from my Fuurinkazan is nothing to laugh at!" - Kinnikuman

"No. Even with that... this is the only way for me to break away from the 'rules'!" - Peek-a-boo

"Fwahahaha! I'll at least admit you for your guts!" - ???

Peek-a-boo got hold of the mysterious perfect with a Kinniku Buster.

"I see. You have indeed absorbed Kinnikuman's techniques down to the methods and styles, and even strengthened them. However, they won't work on me!" - ???

And thus, Peek-a-boo's buster was reversed.

"That stance! Don't tell me...!?" - Terryman

"Take this! Muscle Spark!!" - ???

"Th-that's impossible..." - Kinnikuman

"Guah! What's this destructive power!? - Peek-a-boo

"Having a splitting body with all your muscle and bones torn, aren't you? But the hell has yet to end." - ???

"Impossible, even that part!?" - Buffaloman

"I won't allow this action!" - Terryman

Terryman jumped to stop the Muscle Spark. Grim Reaper blocked his path...

"Woah. We can't let you obstructing a Perfect Choujin sentence. Kill Hat!" - Grim Reaper

Grim Reaper's hat shot out spikes and spun, cutting Terryman in the process.

"Hokya hokya! Let this Polarman play as well!" - Polarman

Polarman threw Terryman down with a double arm suplex and landed on both his legs.

"Peek-a-boo, may you rest in peace." - ???

And they landed the final part of Muscle Spark.

"M-my technique has been..." - ???

"K-kinnikuman. Why did you...?" - Peek-a-boo

"I-I can't allow you... to die here... Th-that's because... we have promised to have a rematch..." - Kinnikuman

It is the "rule" of the Justice Choujin to save a friend!

And so it is yet revealed who this mysterious Kinniku perfect. But with these proofs...
- Knows one of the big Kinniku techniques (And the full form of it to boot)
- Have ties with Kinniku Mayumi

Another sibling of Kinnikuman, perhaps? By the way, the kanji on his forehead is 完 for "perfect".

On the other hand, a polar bear will turn into a chess piece?

Edited by F.I.A, 29 July 2012 - 11:18 AM.

[kevinmask01]

He might be Mayumi's brother for all we know. Or maybe Kinnikuman's Cousin?

[Ridureyu]

Well, that certainly is ten times the awesome we expected.

[ironmask]

I am kind of bummed that it isn't a Suped Up Pheonix... But, the new guy has potential. If they could make Peekaboo a badass, they should have a handle on what this guy is about.

[Ridureyu]

It's almost like all the new guys are an apology for how badly the old team fizzled.

[Frey]

Didnt the legends retire because they were, well, old?

Sunshine and Budo were seen in Nisei/UM founding the devil factory, so I dunno. Did it ever show who the Zangyaku founder was?

Yes, it showed ShimaÅ￾/Skulldozer as the Zangyaku founder.

Edited by Frey, 29 July 2012 - 11:09 AM.

[Evil Lord Proteus]

Yes, it showed ShimaÅ￾/Skulldozer as the Zangyaku founder.

Are you sure he was a "founder" ? Budo was the founder of the Perfect wing and he was replaced. And this is Budo we are talking about here.

Anyway, im actually more interested in this Grim Reaper character more than the others.

Edited by Evil Lord Proteus, 29 July 2012 - 01:34 PM.

[Jenny]

MAYUMI WHAT DID YOU DO.

[TheBlazngYudekki01]

Akuma Shogun was Goldman in a physical form. General Terror in Nisei (who looks like Shogun, and can be implied to be the Great One due to similar appearance), is most likely Satan in physical form.

But if Akuma Shogun and Strong the Budo are going to fight, then how is Akuma Shogun going to get to Goldman? He combined himself with Silverman, so now they are one person... How is this going to work?

Edited by TheBlazngYudekki01, 29 July 2012 - 05:15 PM.

[Evil Lord Proteus]

If Grim Reaper is really the name of the hat guy, then I think the name Grim Reaper is kind of a waste on this guy, though he does seem sorta interesting.

Also is that... is that a Faucet/Tap man I see? He will probably be able to shoot various liquids at you, like scalding water and acid. And maybe Bee's if Yude feel adventurous enough...

Edited by Evil Lord Proteus, 30 July 2012 - 12:43 AM.

[Kaworuden]

Interesting, a new relative to Mayumi. Perhaps Suguru is a twin and their fathers lost him as they lost Suguru on earth.

And the new perfect seem to be more agressive and dangerous than the previous one. I've love to see that Polarman bear fighting Mammothman.

Also, the discussion about Satan/Akuma Shogun/Goldman is something that has always bugged me. By the time I first read the manga, I thought Satan and Akuma Shogun were Goldman, and by Goldman and Silverman joining that was a end for Akuma Shogun. But then in the demon seed arc I got confused by Akuma Shogun coming back to live, well, General Terror in the Vid edition, always thought it was their translation for Akuma Shogun name since Suguru was terrified of him coming back; since that would imply the fusion of Silverman and Goldman had perished or something, or that Satan was an entity that could posses Goldman and/or Akuma Shogun. It would be great to know if in that trio there's more than one personality (by the end of this I'm kind of thinking this is like a God/Jesus/Holy Spirit kind of crap, LOL).

So anyway, now they're going to prepare the scenarios for their fights and shw who's fighting who. Hope some seigi or akuma choujin comes back to help Suguru there's 7 fight ahead. We got Suguru, Terryman, PeekABoo, Blackhole, Springman and Buffaloman there, and I don't think Terryman, PeekABoo, Blackhole or Springman can defeat anyone by now.

P.D: Thanks for the useful-as-always translation F.I.A.

Edited by Kaworuden, 30 July 2012 - 12:50 AM.

[kevinmask01]

But if Akuma Shogun and Strong the Budo are going to fight, then how is Akuma Shogun going to get to Goldman? He combined himself with Silverman, so now they are one person... How is this going to work?

Most likely it will be General Terror, not Akuma Shogun, who will fight Budo. The Nisei manga doesn't help much to elaborate the difference between Shogun and Terror, but it does shown that they are different entities, so the Great One most likely is General Terror from Nisei, not Akuma Shogun from the original.

Edited by kevinmask01, 30 July 2012 - 03:03 AM.

[Kaworuden]

Most likely it will be General Terror, not Akuma Shogun, who will fight Budo. The Nisei manga doesn't help much to elaborate the difference between Shogun and Terror, but it does shown that they are different entities, so the Great One most likely is General Terror from Nisei, not Akuma Shogun from the original.

Thinking about this I've read chapter 44 from the Golden Mask Arc and I've re-readed that it was Satan who contacted Goldman when he was resting with Silverman after their battle.
Satan was lured by Goldman hatred for peace and offered him a way to destroy seigi choujin and peace. Then offered his (Satan's I mean) Devil Knights to have a body to fight as both Silverman and Goldman decapitated each other in the end of their battle.

Then it's clear that Goldman and Satan are separate entities and Akuma Shogun is Goldman fused with the Devil Knights, that brings back the "General Terror" issue, as Akuma choujin needed Meat's head to get the whole pack.
That said, it's possible that "The Great One" could be Satan itself, and finally getting Suguru to fight him one on one.

Edit: I think I should read Kinnikuman again, it may be more than 5 years since I read it last time and I'm forgetting like a lot of fundamental thing there LOL

Edited by Kaworuden, 30 July 2012 - 06:58 AM.

[Ridureyu]

Remember, too, that Yude are more concerned with cool stuff than complex continuity.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Yude nor the Japanese audience nearly put as much thought into these things as we do.

Isn't "General Terror" just the Viz translation for Akuma Shogun?

[kevinmask01]

Yude nor the Japanese audience nearly put as much thought into these things as we do.

Isn't "General Terror" just the Viz translation for Akuma Shogun?

No it isn't. Even the Japanese used 'General Terror' in Nisei.

[kevinmask01]

Thinking about this I've read chapter 44 from the Golden Mask Arc and I've re-readed that it was Satan who contacted Goldman when he was resting with Silverman after their battle.
Satan was lured by Goldman hatred for peace and offered him a way to destroy seigi choujin and peace. Then offered his (Satan's I mean) Devil Knights to have a body to fight as both Silverman and Goldman decapitated each other in the end of their battle.

Then it's clear that Goldman and Satan are separate entities and Akuma Shogun is Goldman fused with the Devil Knights, that brings back the "General Terror" issue, as Akuma choujin needed Meat's head to get the whole pack.
That said, it's possible that "The Great One" could be Satan itself, and finally getting Suguru to fight him one on one.

Edit: I think I should read Kinnikuman again, it may be more than 5 years since I read it last time and I'm forgetting like a lot of fundamental thing there LOL

The thing is, General Terror is also implied to be Satan himself, as when he contacted the Demon Seeds, such as when they were defeated, Satan's shadow would come, and when Ashuraman asked General Terror to help him in his fight with Mantaro, Satan's shadow appeared again. This heavily suggests General Terror is Satan, which implies that the Great One might be General Terror from Nisei.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

No it isn't. Even the Japanese used 'General Terror' in Nisei.

I researched this, and here's what I came up with:

Akuma Shogun literally means "General Devil" in English, and 悪魔将è»￾ are the Japanese characters for Akuma Shogun.

In Nisei, Ashuraman attempts to revive "General Fear", and æ￾￾怖ã￾®å°† are the Japanese characters for that name.

So it appears that Akuma Shogun and General Fear are not one in the same. General Fear may very well be Satan manifested in physical form. That being said, The Great One is most likely General Fear.

[kevinmask01]

I researched this, and here's what I came up with:

Akuma Shogun literally means "General Devil" in English, and 悪魔将è»￾ are the Japanese characters for Akuma Shogun.

In Nisei, Ashuraman attempts to revive "General Fear", and æ￾￾怖ã￾®å°† are the Japanese characters for that name.

So it appears that Akuma Shogun and General Fear are not one in the same. General Fear may very well be Satan manifested in physical form. That being said, The Great One is most likely General Fear.

You are correct in your research. This is what I've been trying to say (Although Fear can also be translated into Terror, hence General Terror).