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[NinthDoctor]

Is the blue one rare or not? Like I said I'm brand new to collecting m.u.s.c.l.e toys. I really like them. I watched Ultamate Muscle as a kid. Loves that show.

[Sixthwizard]

not rare. And not a muscle figure. Kinnikuman figure.

[NinthDoctor]

Well darn. Haha. A lesson learned.

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[NinthDoctor]

Which is more collectable? Muscle or kinnikuman? How does one know which is which?

[Sixthwizard]

muscle has a bit harder rubber. Kinnikuman is a bit softer. The colors on kinnikuman are flat. Color on muscle is a hint of being glossy. Muscle are a little bit larger too.

[Sixthwizard]

kinnikuman has 418 sculpts vs muscle having 236.

[NinthDoctor]

I just bought these to start my collection. These appear glossy so if I understand you right these are muscles.

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[Sixthwizard]

You have a lower level Class A in there, bro!!!  It's not worth anything though....$5 maybe......haha....but still nice.  It's the 135magenta.  Next to your only green figure........

 

Nice start!  Keep going.

Edited by Sixthwizard, 12 November 2015 - 06:26 PM.

[NinthDoctor]

I know very little what's a class a? Haha are these muscles?

[fuzzbuster]

Muscle are a little bit larger too.

 

M.U.S.C.L.E. & Kinkeshi were cast from the same factory molds. Even though they were made in different materials, they are exactly the same in size and dimensions.

[Sixthwizard]

M.U.S.C.L.E. & Kinkeshi were cast from the same factory molds. Even though they were made in different materials, they are exactly the same in size and dimensions.

They seem different to me.  Maybe my eyes are done from staring at toys

I know very little what's a class a? Haha are these muscles?

 

Yes, looks like all muscles.  

 

Class A, is a harder to find color basically.  

I won't get into it....other than Class C are regular ol', found all the time muscles (flesh poster figures, common colors)- Class B (certain colors and  flesh SatanCross) pop up less often, but are still readily found for the most part- Class A (hard to find colors) are a bit tougher to come across mostly.  

 

Not every figure was made in all colors.  Some of the colors are hard to find.

[NinthDoctor]

On Nathan's Muscle blog I looked up 135 and it's not that figure. What does 135 correspond to?

[Sixthwizard]

http://www.musclefig...E-CHECKLIST.pdf

http://www.musclefig...E-CHECKLIST.pdf

M.U.S.C.L.E. & Kinkeshi were cast from the same factory molds. Even though they were made in different materials, they are exactly the same in size and dimensions.

yeah dude, my satan cross original kinnikuman is slightly smaller than my muscle one.......?  I'm seeing it right......  it's smaller.  It's not a anni reissure or anything...... 

[NinthDoctor]

Thank you kind sir. That check list is very helpful. How do I know which colors are harder to find?

[Sixthwizard]

http://www.littlerub...howtopic=183060

 

.....or just by not finding them haha.....

Edited by Sixthwizard, 12 November 2015 - 07:00 PM.

[NinthDoctor]

Haha ok thank you

[fuzzbuster]

yeah dude, my satan cross original kinnikuman is slightly smaller than my muscle one.......?  I'm seeing it right......  it's smaller.  It's not a anni reissure or anything...... 

 

Based solely on your description, without seeing a picture and ruling out something as simple as warping, I would say that your keshi SC is either a legit reissue (released prior to the 29th anniversary set) or a high quality bootleg. The smaller size indicates that it was cast from a second+ generation mold, and not the original.

 

Like I said, M.U.S.C.L.E. & Kinkeshi were cast from the same factory molds. Original Kinkeshi and M.U.S.C.L.E. are exactly the same in size and dimensions.

 

When you encounter a kinkeshi that is smaller than the M.U.S.C.L.E. standard, it was cast from a copy, not the original mold. In this picture, for instance, the figure on the left is an original issue, while the one on the right appears to be a well made bootleg:

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The material, the copyright, every detail of the sculpts are identical, except one is slightly smaller:

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And with each copied generation of a cast, the dimensions decrease, along with the finer details:

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With that in mind, coupled with the fact that Kinkeshi absolutely predate M.U.S.C.L.E., there is no way a first generation kinkeshi would be smaller than a M.U.S.C.L.E.

[Sixthwizard]

Thanks man....appreciate the detailed info!

[ironmask]

Wow. This thread was pretty disappointing. It took very little time for it to turn into passive-aggressive pedantry, and unsolicited appraisals of other collectors stuff. 

Boo, guys. Boo.

[fuzzbuster]

You do realize that you are booing a conversation that ended over six years ago?

NECROGRIPE!

[ironmask]

Hm. I didn't notice that about the earlier posts, but I can tell you for fact that some of the people participating in later pages weren't even board members two years ago, let alone six.

[fuzzbuster]

I still say that you are a necropedantophile... Isn't that a Cannibal Corpse track title??

[Sixthwizard]

Wow. This thread was pretty disappointing. It took very little time for it to turn into passive-aggressive pedantry, and unsolicited appraisals of other collectors stuff. 

Boo, guys. Boo.

You analyze too much, Jimmy!  I have to look up words you use, quite often.  hahaha.... 

 

Good thing is, I learn new words.  

Edited by Sixthwizard, 13 November 2015 - 05:56 AM.

[ironmask]

I still say that you are a necropedantophile... Isn't that a Cannibal Corpse track title??

 

If you have to ask...