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[Ridureyu]

[Toxoviper]

Most people have that particular person on ignore and have for years. Trust me, only coming here to bump his selling threads and "I love gold!!" thread is a major improvement.

Had to quote you for truth. Quite a blessing when that's his only activity.

[Draznar]

At the risk of enraging you guys on here, he's got a point. I can personally atest to it because I know several people from the era of these toys who had them as kids, and have them sitting in boxes somewhere at their parent's houses. They had no idea their old toys were worth anything, so there they are sitting. I've informed a couple of them that their stuff has some monetary value and I'm hoping they'll dig it out one of these days. If it weren't for me telling them though, they likely would've stayed there forever.

[Behemoth]

As an Economics Minor, I have to agree with Cuttles. I don't want to deal with shysters and thieves, but I have no problem with people who sell just for the point of making a profit. And I have a hard time believing that 99% of the people on here wouldn't jump on a rare monster/MUSCLE if it had a low enough Buy It Now on Ebay, even if they had several. It's human nature to jump on a bargain. I see absolutely nothing wrong with buying a toy and reselling it at a profit. That's capitalism.

[Draznar]

As an Economics Minor, I have to agree with Cuttles. I don't want to deal with shysters and thieves, but I have no problem with people who sell just for the point of making a profit. And I have a hard time believing that 99% of the people on here wouldn't jump on a rare monster/MUSCLE if it had a low enough Buy It Now on Ebay, even if they had several. It's human nature to jump on a bargain. I see absolutely nothing wrong with buying a toy and reselling it at a profit. That's capitalism.

I think there's a bit of a difference between the people who find bargains and the people who actively seek them out/rip people off.

I'm honestly the devil's advocate on this debate. I see both sides of the story and I can't really decide which side I'm on. I hate that people buy shit at cheap prices to re-sell for later. Let some other collector get it. On the flip-side, if we don't have dickheads doing that with the toys, some people might not ever know they have something of value.

I think dickhead re-sellers are possibly a necessary evil for those of us who collect weird/obscure/not-well-known toylines.

Just my two cents.

[Draznar]

The original idea had more to do with I thought... situations like people pricing items at sometimes double the going rate & encouraging others to follow suit. Preying on newbies to drive up costs in general. 50 cent item is now accepted as $1 item. Various forms of this type of behavior wrecking the hobby and driving prices all over the map. Not making a profit, that's capitalism. Intentionally messing with values and the market in general to benefit you, everything else be damned.... that's something else. That's what people are standing up against.

That's why I said what I did about seeing both sides. I'm a little bit over-exhausted so I'm probably not coming out as coherently as I think I am, because man do I sound good as I type this shit out.

[ironmask]

Apples and oranges.

The main breakdown is an ethical one. I am not going to get into another pissing contest with goofus up there, as there are arguments for what he's saying... What he's saying isn't really on topic with the point of the thread. If a SR costs more money, great. Artificially driving up the prices on the market, and engaging in unethical buying/selling/trading practices are what this is about. There are rare MUSCLES, and there are uncommon MUSCLES that go for rare MUSCLE prices... And why? Pfffff. I, along with numerous others, are sick of the bold faced dishonesty that has seemed to become the norm. It's the dishonesty and the lack of ethics that have bled into and all over the hobby... If it were simply inflation, or a natural uptrend in the market value, we'd just be talking about "Remember when they cost thirty cents apiece?" But, no. There are a laundry list of things that have been going on, that the community finds to be a breach of our social contract.

And we're not just talking about the market in general... We're talking about the effect that the market has on this community, and vice versa. You can cut throats, or you can be a member of the community.... But you can't really do both. Not for long. The bottom line is, if these trends continue, it'll be the same small percentage of collectors just buying/selling/trading to/with each other, because they will have priced everybody else out of the market... And if nobody cares about the hobby, especially after this latest wave of nostalgia washes over... where does that leave the hobby? I am pretty sure that opinion has already been voiced in this thread already.

[Behemoth]

I think there's a bit of a difference between the people who find bargains and the people who actively seek them out/rip people off.I'm honestly the devil's advocate on this debate. I see both sides of the story and I can't really decide which side I'm on. I hate that people buy shit at cheap prices to re-sell for later. Let some other collector get it. On the flip-side, if we don't have dickheads doing that with the toys, some people might not ever know they have something of value.I think dickhead re-sellers are possibly a necessary evil for those of us who collect weird/obscure/not-well-known toylines.Just my two cents.

I disagree that looking for bargains, rips people off. I do it on Ebay all the time. I'm certainly not perfect (no matter how much I might think so), but I don't think anyone would call me a rip off artist either. If that makes me a dickhead then I will wear the penis cap with pride.

Haven't read cud's post yet... but the reaction seems to be a deflection of the original idea of the thread.The original idea had more to do with I thought... situations like people pricing items at sometimes double the going rate & encouraging others to follow suit. Preying on newbies to drive up costs in general. 50 cent item is now accepted as $1 item. Various forms of this type of behavior wrecking the hobby and driving prices all over the map. Not making a profit, that's capitalism. Intentionally messing with values and the market in general to benefit you, everything else be damned.... that's something else. That's what people are standing up against.Otherwise this is a justify my existance in between bump & troll..

Personally, I try not to price-gouge anyone. I don't want to screw anyone over, especially newbs that don't know any better. But it is the natural result of a capitalist system that people will try to make the most profit possible. Unless they are deceiving the buyer (by omission or by lying) or not delivering the product that they promised, I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to make the most money possible. The seller risks loss of his reputation and the loss of repeat customers by price-gouging (as well he should). Unfortunately, if we are stupid enough to pay high prices, then we all deserve whatever consequence results from our own behavior, assuming that the seller has been truthful and delivers what he promised.

So in a sense I agree with you: the only way to stop price-gouging is simply to not pay the price that the seller demands. And to be willing to wait and buy the item later, or not at all.

[Draznar]

The point I lost was the one Ironmask keeps making. The ethical line that people continue to cross. Granted, my ethics are not your ethics so unless there is a clear, defined ethical line then I don't think there is much to do.

As to what I was saying in regards to the pricing and whatnot, I don't mind paying a buck for a fifty cent figure. It's when you are dealing with big number values like a five dollar figure for fifteen bucks, that's a problem. I haven't been around long enough to know who's who or who screwed who etc etc but I do know that I enjoy collecting and hate over-paying. (Which these days, has left me not buying much.)

I think what everyone wants to see is:

Cheap figures should be cheap, not over-priced.
Don't rip people off, (especially newbs, newjacks, whatever you want to call'em.)
And most importantly have fun while collecting.

I like being a part of this community as so far, I have not been burned. Information is readily available AND provided by fellow members for free and without being condescending. I've had multiple transactions that I felt were fair, or more than fair. I haven't seen much ugliness, so maybe I'm not fully capable of commenting/judging/whatever, but you guys should know that your efforts aren't lost just because a few dicks run around jackin' prices and being dicky dicks.

I'm honestly going to go to bed now before I make myself look any more ridiculous.

LOL @ "penis cap." You haven't ripped me off, buddy!

Edited by Draznar, 04 March 2013 - 09:29 PM.

[Behemoth]

The point I lost was the one Ironmask keeps making. The ethical line that people continue to cross. Granted, my ethics are not your ethics so unless there is a clear, defined ethical line then I don't think there is much to do.

As to what I was saying in regards to the pricing and whatnot, I don't mind paying a buck for a fifty cent figure. It's when you are dealing with big number values like a five dollar figure for fifteen bucks, that's a problem. I haven't been around long enough to know who's who or who screwed who etc etc but I do know that I enjoy collecting and hate over-paying. (Which these days, has left me not buying much.)

I think what everyone wants to see is:

Cheap figures should be cheap, not over-priced.
Don't rip people off, (especially newbs, newjacks, whatever you want to call'em.)
And most importantly have fun while collecting.

I like being a part of this community as so far, I have not been burned. Information is readily available AND provided by fellow members for free and without being condescending. I've had multiple transactions that I felt were fair, or more than fair. I haven't seen much ugliness, so maybe I'm not fully capable of commenting/judging/whatever, but you guys should know that your efforts aren't lost just because a few dicks run around jackin' prices and being dicky dicks.

I'm honestly going to go to bed now before I make myself look any more ridiculous.

LOL @ "penis cap." You haven't ripped me off, buddy!

I disagreed with you, but I don't think that makes your comments/judgment ridiculous. Or at least not any more so than the ones I make on a regular basis. We are free to disagree without hatred, after all this isn't a religious or political discussion.

On the downside, now I what am I going to do with my penis cap?

[Draznar]

I am not against people selling toys... I am against people selling toys for over-inflated prices. They are not the same thing.

This was the point my tired brain was trying to make last night.

[Soupie]

Being a social collector - for example, being an active member of LRG - is not for everyone, for various reasons. Sometimes there is a bit of "tribalism" here at LRG. However, just because someone isn't super friendly, and active on the forum, doesn't mean they're doing something wrong.

The social aspect of collecting is huge part of it for many collectors. Not all.

This discussion, started by Ironmask, seems to have three messages that many members here agree with (25 likes for the OP). The three messages are (1) unethical collecting behavior, (2) a money-centered approach to collecting, and (3) a lack of camaraderie (like that which we had in the "golden years") are ruining the hobby.

The first one I can get behind. I agree that unethical collecting behavior has become part of several minifigure collector communities: MUSCLE, MIMP, BEB, Cheap Toys, and Battle Beast. The LRG community (distinct from the larger Minifigure Collecting Community) has done a good job of removing these individuals from participation here at LRG. However, these people can't be removed from the MCC. The reality is that it's usually only one or two people per toyline. However, because of the small nature of these toylines, they are very disruptive. It sucks. Removing them from LRG and reporting them to eBay is about all we can do, I think. Also personally choosing not to deal with the person is an option too. Educating others about said person's behaviors is an option too, as long as it's done in a rational, non-hysterical way.

(Over the years, I've dealt and communicated with collectors that other people identified as dishonest and shady. I know this upset some collectors. I'm sorry about. However, I do think it's a choice each person must make. I have a weird analogy and other thoughts on this that I'd love to discuss at another time.)

The second one I can appreciate, but can't get behind. I don't think there is anything ethically wrong with focusing on the money aspect of minifigure collecting. Do I do it? No, I am horrible at reselling and valuing toys. I never remember how much I bought a toy for and often undersell my figures, which is why I prefer to trade. LRG and the social relationships/buddy-buddy friendships are not the be-all, end-all of the MCC. If someone posts here at LRG solely to sell toys, there's nothing wrong with that. If they don't know a damn thing about their toys and don't give a damn about what Squishy Bob Action Flash cancelled, limited release expansion set companion figure variant repaint they have, I don't effing blame them. No, they don't have to know everything about their toy to sell it. We can tell them, we're the effing nerds.

It's okay if people only become a member here to buy and sell toys, or simply sell toys. They don't have to wish everybody happy effing birthday or post "" at every funny post. Etc.

The third I can't get behind either. Yes, the golden years were great: the "golden years" of Cheap Toys and BEB were great too. I spent hours at the GPKUG on the forums trying to figure out Cheap Toys with several other collectors. I spent hours here with Veers, URS, Tortle, and Johnny trying to figure out MUSCLEs and the same with Matthew Fitz trying to figure out BEB. We were able to find all these minifigs easily on eBay because no one else knew about them. However, as information was amassed and shared and collection pics were shown, others began to collect them... and inevitably (so it seems) some shady and unethical people decided to collect these lines as well.

I don't think we can go back to the "golden years" of MUSCLE. The hobby isn't being ruined, it is what it is. It is what all the minifig lines above have become: Well understood vintage toy lines that now have a large[r] collecting base, which unfortunately includes some big spenders and some unethical people.

My point is that we can't get these three things confused. Joining LRG simply to sell toys is not unethical. What it is, is nice for us collectors.

The golden years were great for each minfig line, but they are over and gone. It sucks.

People shill bidding, backing out of deals, lying, scalping, over charging? These things are shady and unethical, and we need to do everything we can to discourage it and stop it (or the people doing it).

Edited by Soupie, 06 March 2013 - 06:21 AM.

[ironmask]

I don't see where I said anything about selling toys (in general) being evil. I'm going to say that, and move on to the other points, since we're really not in argument about that particular issue. Issue #1, and combining issue #1 & #2, are where I take umbrage with the whole capitalistic side of MUSCLE collecting. #2 on it's own, is a natural part of collecting. I buy toys often, from people who aren't trying to bleed me for every cent they can. I really don't see why this keeps getting brought up as a point of argument.

#3... Woof. You do raise some very valid points... And maybe I am being myopic... But I think the community aspect is important here. We're likely never going to recreate the old feel of the board... I agree. Too much has happened, and we're all older, and some of us are jaded. But, it doesn't have to be bad, either. I am sure that there are board members that have joined, and sell toys on ebay, do deals here through PMs, and we're none the wiser... And again, I see no problem with that. But when people come onto the board, and want to both have the social cake and money cake... And expect to eat it too? That is where I say, that if you're going to cut throats, don't try to be pals. If you want to make friends, don't cut throats. Like I said, maybe I am being myopic, but I don't think you can have both. People trying to have both has resulted in friction/drama/general consternation on the board, and has damaged the social aspect.

Hell yes, we are nerds. Hell yes, there is a lot more information out there on all of these toylines, and OF COURSE it's going to result in more people digging up collections to try to make a buck. You can't expect one of Chad's "A$$holes of the week" to come here trying to glad-hand the community, and have that turn out well. I also still believe that, despite the fact that the forum will never again be like it was during "the wonder years", we are still capable of moving the needle back towards the community side of things, instead of the "desperate money grab" side of things.

I don't entirely disagree with your points, I just don't think we're making entirely the same argument.

[Soupie]

I don't see where I said anything about selling toys (in general) being evil.

Yes, I understand that you didn't point to that. But the discussion in this thread has included that point (as well as some recent postings in other threads).

But I think the community aspect is important here. ... But when people come onto the board, and want to both have the social cake and money cake... And expect to eat it too? That is where I say, that if you're going to cut throats, don't try to be pals. If you want to make friends, don't cut throats. Like I said, maybe I am being myopic, but I don't think you can have both. People trying to have both has resulted in friction/drama/general consternation on the board, and has damaged the social aspect.

Agreed. For the majority of people active on LRG, becoming "friends" with other collectors is important. For some, this is a "must have" element to the hobby. However, that's not the case for every member here.

You make a great point though: If you're going to be a high roller or a cut-throat barderer, as opposed to Jolly Saint Nick, understand that this will upset some members here and be okay with it. The "Jolly Saint Nick" type collector is preferred here at LRG; In the wonder years era, the majority of collectors helped each other out, gave incredible deals, gave away freebies, abstained from bidding on toys for altruistic reasons, etc. That was great and I got to experience a bit of that and there still is a bit of that here at LRG. The hobby has simply become more competitive due to knowledge and growth.

But that requires fairly decent social skills such as perspective taking and things like good self-esteem.

As far having cake and eating it too: I've been called a hypocrite for interacting with shady collectors and then identifying them as shady collectors. And to that I would say, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you buy a bootleg from a bootlegger and say "thanks bootlegger" should I care if he gets upset? Am I a hypocrite for buying a bootleg from a bootlegger? Do I have to pretend the bootlegger isn't a bootlegger simply because they'd like me to?

The unwritten rule seems to be: If you deal with me, you are indicating that you don't think I'm unethical. Thus, if you deal with me, and then identify me as unethical, it makes you a hypocrite. I suppose the logic is, if you knowingly deal with someone who is currently engaging in unethical collecting behaviors, that makes you unethical too. So calling the other person unethical (while you too are unethical) is hypocritical.

All the above social complexity is the reality of being a member of an open toy forum (and by open, I mean one in which the webmaster allows people the freedom to discuss such things). It understandably causes much drama. This drama is only heightened when large amounts of invested time and money are involved. Strong feelings of jealously, frustration, anger, betrayal, etc. come into play.

I think it's a 50/50 split: High rollers and cut-throat sellers who want to be members here have to be prepared for disgruntled "for the love of the toys, let's be friends" members, and "for the love of the toys, let's be friends" members have to deal with the high rolling, cut-throat sellers in a rational, non-hysterical, name-calling manner.

Again, it's not easy and drama gonna dramatize.

What we can all agree on is that concrete, unethical behavior is bad. It should be exposed. And those doing it should be reported to eBay if appropriate and banned from LRG. Those people who might be "friends" or "business partners" with someone currently doing unethical things should not defend/ignore/rationalize the person's deeds, but rather spend their energy encouraging such a person to change.

Edited by Soupie, 06 March 2013 - 07:49 AM.

[ironmask]

Yes, I understand that you didn't point to that. But the discussion in this thread has included that point (as well as some recent postings in other threads).


Agreed. For the majority of people active on LRG, becoming "friends" with other collectors is important. For some, this is a "must have" element to the hobby. However, that's not the case for every member here.

You make a great point though: If you're going to be a high roller or a cut-throat barderer, as opposed to Jolly Saint Nick, understand that this will upset some members here and be okay with it. The "Jolly Saint Nick" type collector is preferred here at LRG; In the wonder years era, the majority of collectors helped each other out, gave incredible deals, gave away freebies, abstained from bidding on toys for altruistic reasons, etc. That was great and I got to experience a bit of that and there still is a bit of that here at LRG. The hobby has simply become more competitive due to knowledge and growth.

But that requires fairly decent social skills such as perspective taking and things like good self-esteem.

As far having cake and eating it too: I've been called a hypocrite for interacting with shady collectors and then identifying them as shady collectors. And to that I would say, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you buy a bootleg from a bootlegger and say "thanks bootlegger" should I care if he gets upset? Am I a hypocrite for buying a bootleg from a bootlegger? Do I have to pretend the bootlegger isn't a bootlegger simply because they'd like me to?

The unwritten rule seems to be: If you deal with me, you are indicating that you don't think I'm unethical. Thus, if you deal with me, and then identify me as unethical, it makes you a hypocrite. I suppose the logic is, if you knowingly deal with someone who is currently engaging in unethical collecting behaviors, that makes you unethical too. So calling the other person unethical (while you too are unethical) is hypocritical.

All the above social complexity is the reality of being a member of an open toy forum (and by open, I mean one in which the webmaster allows people the freedom to discuss such things). It understandably causes much drama. This drama is only heightened when large amounts of invested time and money are involved. Strong feelings of jealously, frustration, anger, betrayal, etc. come into play.

I think it's a 50/50 split: High rollers and cut-throat sellers who want to be members here half to be prepared for disgruntled "for the love of the toys, let's be friends" members, and "for the love of the toys, let's be friends" members have to deal with the high rolling, cut-throat sellers in a rational, non-hysterical, name-calling manner.

Again, it's not easy and drama gonna dramatize.

What we can all agree on is that concrete, unethical behavior is bad. It should be exposed. And those doing it should be reported to eBay if appropriate and banned from LRG. Those people who might be "friends" or "business partners" with someone currently doing unethical things should not defend/ignore/rationalize the person's deeds, but rather spend their energy encouraging such a person to change.

Good post, good points, and I agree with almost all of it.
I don't deal with people that I find to be behaving in an unethical fashion, for the very reasons that you have indicated... I don't want to be, nor do I want to be considered to be, a hypocrite.

This passage sums it all up succinctly though:

If you're going to be a high roller or a cut-throat barderer, as opposed to Jolly Saint Nick, understand that this will upset some members here and be okay with it. The "Jolly Saint Nick" type collector is preferred here at LRG; In the wonder years era, the majority of collectors helped each other out, gave incredible deals, gave away freebies, abstained from bidding on toys for altruistic reasons, etc. That was great and I got to experience a bit of that and there still is a bit of that here at LRG. The hobby has simply become more competitive due to knowledge and growth.

Good stuff.

[ironmask]

Look, the whole point of this thread is to make the silent majority realize that they have a say in how things are done, and that things can go back to being better than what they are now.
Will we ever get back to "The Wonder Years" of the AKIA forums? No. That was another time, and that time has passed. That doesn't mean that we can't capture the spirit of how things used to be... And I don't think that we're that far off from it, anyways.

Let's not let this degenerate into another petty flame war. Cuttle, you either want to be included in the community, and the bettering of it, or you don't.
Decide, and then behave accordingly.

[iwao]

The unwritten rule seems to be: If you deal with me, you are indicating that you don't think I'm unethical. Thus, if you deal with me, and then identify me as unethical, it makes you a hypocrite. I suppose the logic is, if you knowingly deal with someone who is currently engaging in unethical collecting behaviors, that makes you unethical too. So calling the other person unethical (while you too are unethical) is hypocritical.

Well said. It takes some self-restraint. Buying from someone you would rather not see on LRG just keeps them around longer. I don't think many new members lurk or read past threads long enough before jumping into buying/selling/trading. It doesn't take long to identify who you want to deal with and who to avoid based on your personal principles.

When I first joined here, I thought it was odd to see public comments calling people out for high prices. I figured it's easy enough to ignore someone's sale thread if the prices are too high. Then somebody made a comment about how it sucks when people use LRG as eBay without the fees, and that stuck with me.

I mainly buy or trade here. Maybe I'll post something in Got Toys for cheap if I'm just looking to get rid of it. Most stuff in my collection that I've decided to part with is driven by the current market price being higher than what the toy means to me, and I need the money. I sell that stuff on eBay, and I don't like posting links to my eBay auctions here because I feel like I'm saying, "Hey guys, here is a link to some cool toys that I'm not giving you a deal on." I'm not saying that is what I think of anyone else that posts their eBay auctions here. I just don't like to do it with my stuff.

[TheOrgg]

There is a line. I have experienced that line.

I sold my old MIMP in the glory days of AKIA. They went for fifty cents each. I picked up another batch of MIMP that a local comic shop got in, and put them up for fifty cents each again-- and they quickly were bought as a complete lot. Why? Because they were currently selling for $1 to $1.50 per figure. In the older times, someone would've told me they were cheaper than going rate, as we felt it was only fair for people to get good deals. The more modern day? Well, I was out $40, and felt rather unhappy with the person who knowingly took advantage of my ignorance. He also stiffed me and I ended up having to settle for a poor condition ring with its box, as well, instead of the money he owed me, but that's not here nor there.

[TMAN]

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There is a line. I have experienced that line.

I sold my old MIMP in the glory days of AKIA. They went for fifty cents each. I picked up another batch of MIMP that a local comic shop got in, and put them up for fifty cents each again-- and they quickly were bought as a complete lot. Why? Because they were currently selling for $1 to $1.50 per figure. In the older times, someone would've told me they were cheaper than going rate, as we felt it was only fair for people to get good deals. The more modern day? Well, I was out $40, and felt rather unhappy with the person who knowingly took advantage of my ignorance. He also stiffed me and I ended up having to settle for a poor condition ring with its box, as well, instead of the money he owed me, but that's not here nor there.

Was he a member here?

[Toxoviper]

I'm glad the junk got weeded out of this thread.

Now back on topic.
The problem is not buying/selling as some individuals wanted to argue.

I think the issue arises when one collector has enough disposable income as a entire group and uses that to control the hobby.

By either buying up the market to force the market to them or simply buying up the market and hoarding for ones own collection.

Both scenarios take away from the hobby and the community.

I think everyone would like to be on a equal playing field where $50 is the same for each collector.
But we all know that will never hold true.

I think allot of drama would die down if the collector's here collected just collected by sculpt and were not concerned with owning every color rubber a LRG was produced in.

There is so much out there to collect, to many people getting tied down to the two huge lines MUSCLE & MIMP and not branching out.

[Matlock]

I'm glad the junk got weeded out of this thread.

Now back on topic.


There is so much out there to collect, to many people getting tied down to the two huge lines MUSCLE & MIMP and not branching out.

Amen sister

[DrBo]

I think allot of drama would die down if the collector's here collected just collected by sculpt and were not concerned with owning every color rubber a LRG was produced in.

Yep, I think there a bit of that.

I totally understand guys doing so, since M.U.S.C.L.E. are a fun line and when the basics are met it's fun to dig furhter into the collection and start to chase harder to find figure.

Me I still, to a point, collect them like I did as a kid; just fun bulk of weird bubblegum and wacky colors monsters wrestlers and superheroes.

My collection is reaching a sizeable point, I'll sure take time one of these days to sort out what I have and what I don't (thanks to the wonderful ressource assembled by members here). Then I'll surely start to "snipe" and pinpoint more precisely what I'm missing.

And knowng you guys, it's certain I'll look here first for trade, buys and whatnots to help me out. If they're scammers arund I didn't pay attention - so far I may not the most outspoken guys around, but I sure like this place and try to contribute to the best of my knowedge and love of these little rubber guys

[PlasticSoul]

So has anyone actually done anything yet to change what it is they don't like about this hobby and this place?

Anyone taking any of the advice lots of people here offered?

Anyone change how they do things or who they do them with?

Have you helped out a collector just for the sake of their collection?
Have you avoided dealing with someone just because you know what they do to other collectors?
A lot of people here seemed into the idea irommask suggested but has anyone implemented it yet?

[ironmask]

So has anyone actually done anything yet to change what it is they don't like about this hobby and this place?

Anyone taking any of the advice lots of people here offered?

Anyone change how they do things or who they do them with?

Have you helped out a collector just for the sake of their collection?
Have you avoided dealing with someone just because you know what they do to other collectors?
A lot of people here seemed into the idea irommask suggested but has anyone implemented it yet?

Nah, man. It was the cause of the week.

[PlasticSoul]

Nah, man. It was the cause of the week.

I wouldn't be so sure. I think a few people here might surprise you. Well i'm hoping anyway.