131 replies to this topic

[Biffard]

Where there is a will, there is a way. I'll just say I decided to go another route to try to get one. Think outside the box, and outside of Ebay/Craigslist..... And this has no relation to SG's Purple Claw.

Congrats SG!!! Did we ever find out who contacted the seller in the first place?

Vette, when you say outside the box what do you mean? Theft? Blackmail? Prostitution? JK

I'm stoked that you found one buddy, tell us about it when you get a chance!

Edited by Biffard, 14 July 2011 - 11:01 AM.

[PimpNugget]

Ay Cesar.
Congrates on yer P-Claw.
Lucky U the seller only ships to the U.S.

$694.99 ! ! U got screwed big time

Item number: 200628741631

http://cgi.ebay.com/200628741631?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D200628741631%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

A typo my ass! He originaly didn't know what he had,period,
it was barely noticeable in the first pic.If he originaly wanted $694.99
he should of put the Claw up front and centre.
Get the P-Claw in your hands first and then get yourself a lawyer,and sue the greedy prick.
You had a binding agreement(ebay's rules)with the seller at $64.99 you payed,he should
of sent it at what u originally payed for it.



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He doesn't need a lawyer.
Ebay is REALLY buyer friendly.

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

How do I see it? You gave credence to the person who outed your purchase in the first place. That guy got what he wanted because you paid the higher price. You lost a few times, because you got screwed out of a great deal, then you paid a super high price, and no longer have the satisfaction of the find. Though you still retained your first dibs on the auction. You may not have won it had it gone back to auction. So kind of a plus for you.


As for the going rate. You guys should not place a $1000 dollar tag on these things. By placing a definitive value on the object, you cause the expectations to remain and tarnish the hobby. There is, and hopefully, should never be a price guide for this hobby. Had it not been for certain collectors (a couple at best) there would never have been any muscles going for $1000 bucks. But people who are willing to pay. Everyone is still convinced SC is worth $50 bucks or more. You can buy a lot of stuff for a grand.. it most definitely will never be spent on a muscle.

Edited by Universal Ruler Supreme, 14 July 2011 - 11:43 AM.

[lhssenior]

Sorry I'm late to the conversation and playing a bit of catch up, but why don't you just leave positive feedback for the $60 auction and file an item not received on the expensive lot? You bought the lot twice, paid twice creating two binding contracts so if the seller is going to back out, you should have the choice of which they back out of. Even if they already refunded the money on the other lot just pay again and leave positive feedback to complete the transaction. Am I missing any pertinent details that would nix this idea?
-Barry

[SaltLakeToyJunkee]

Sorry I'm late to the conversation and playing a bit of catch up, but why don't you just leave positive feedback for the $60 auction and file an item not received on the expensive lot? You bought the lot twice, paid twice creating two binding contracts so if the seller is going to back out, you should have the choice of which they back out of. Even if they already refunded the money on the other lot just pay again and leave positive feedback to complete the transaction. Am I missing any pertinent details that would nix this idea?
-Barry

That is a damn good idea. Of course this would not want to be your regular way of doing business but this chump deserves it.

Explain to paypal it was a typo in the payment the second time and it should have been the original $64.99. Your story is you thought you were paying for the ebay auction that you won. Not some shady second after the fact deal.

[Clawfreak]

"Other than Alex, who tries to corner the market on anything of value in the M.U.S.C.L.E. hobby, I don't think there is anyone still willing to pay $1k for a purple claw."


WOW......

Edited by Clawfreak, 14 July 2011 - 02:41 PM.

[walker13.1]

It's driven by the number of people who wants them, and how much they are willing to spend. Once the demand drops, the price will drop. If you're waiting on that, I think you'll be waiting for a long time.

Vette, when you say outside the box what do you mean? Theft? Blackmail? Prostitution? JK

Nice one Biffard. Outside the box means exactly that. Get creative and think of other ways of getting one, legal of course.

I would have to disagree - the price of a purple claw will NOT go down from now. Unless a box of 500 of them is discovered in Jay's garage!

The purple claw is the pinnacle of standard MUSCLE collecting - even IF (and that's a bif IF) all the current collectors got one (and that's not going to happen) then anyone coming new into the hobby would read LRG and UofM and get up to date with all the folk-lore surrounding the purple claw - that triggers competition between newbies, same cycle again and again

My guess - there are simply not enough Purple Claws left in the world to satisfy everyone.

I really wish there was - because I am chasing one too...

And yes, providing the wife gave relevant authorisation, I would pay $1000 for a purple claw.

Not an ideal situation - but this is the reality I am faced with - if I want to add one to my collection....

A pinhead collector? Quite possibly!

A passionate collector? Most definitely!



J

Well said.

[Clawfreak]

Congrats Bill and Smokey!! Now your part of the elite claw club!!

[walker13.1]

Congrats Bill and Smokey!! Now your part of the elite claw club!!

That is an OUTSTANDING avatar you have there Jay...............

[Clawfreak]

That is an OUTSTANDING avatar you have there Jay...............

Don't push it effer, deal is a deal though....I am a man of my word

Edited by Clawfreak, 14 July 2011 - 03:38 PM.

[walker13.1]

Don't push it effer, deal is a deal though....I am a man of my word

Have a nice week 9-32.

[jkaris]

Love the new avatar Jay!

You need to bone up on your poker skills and have Vette rock an old ford as his avatar next week!

[Clawfreak]

Love the new avatar Jay!

You need to bone up on your poker skills and have Vette rock an old ford as his avatar next week!

I am trying....hard to play a tight ass that folds all the time.....Vengance will be mine!!!!!!!

[walker13.1]

I am trying....hard to play a tight ass that folds all the time.....Vengance will be mine!!!!!!!

As long as I have all the chips, that is what matters.

[SmokinGun]

Just got the MUSCLE lot with the purple claw in today. Happy that I got it. Not happy with the price I paid for after buying it at 64.99. If it had a $700 BIN the first time. I would had bought it with any probelms. Yeah I got screwed by the seller. I knew it from the start. It aint over yet. I will be contacting ebay soon.

I am just one of very few who would paid $1000 for a purple claw. I would had bought the one with the crazy price tag last year but during that time but I had too many bills.

[ALLSPORTDVD]

Just got the MUSCLE lot with the purple claw in today. Happy that I got it. Not happy with the price I paid for after buying it at 64.99. If it had a $700 BIN the first time. I would had bought it with any probelms. Yeah I got screwed by the seller. I knew it from the start. It aint over yet. I will be contacting ebay soon.

I am just one of very few who would paid $1000 for a purple claw. I would had bought the one with the crazy price tag last year but during that time but I had too many bills.

LMK if you want to part with the #155 Purple. Cheers

[PimpNugget]

Sorry I'm late to the conversation and playing a bit of catch up, but why don't you just leave positive feedback for the $60 auction and file an item not received on the expensive lot? You bought the lot twice, paid twice creating two binding contracts so if the seller is going to back out, you should have the choice of which they back out of. Even if they already refunded the money on the other lot just pay again and leave positive feedback to complete the transaction. Am I missing any pertinent details that would nix this idea?
-Barry

INR will not work. If the seller has any common sence he will have signature confirmation or at least tracking.

Howvever SNAD would be the way to torch the seller OR charge back if paid by Credit Card.

BTW. THIS situation is why if you sell and buy at a regular pace you should use 2 separate accounts.

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Personally, I think if your willing to pay it, and you did pay it. You should leave it at that. But then again, that's just me. You guys are pretty vengful anyway.

[Strontium Dog]

Personally, I think if your willing to pay it, and you did pay it. You should leave it at that. But then again, that's just me. You guys are pretty vengful anyway.

It's not about revenge, it's about getting back more than 600 dollars which he's morally (and maybe even legally) entitled to!

[fuzzbuster]

Which is more silly: The fact that anyone thinks that $700 is a "good price" for any single M.U.S.C.L.E. figure, or that anyone believes that the seller is legally obligated to pay back any amount of money that the buyer agreed to pay.

Both are equally foolish.

Besides, any legal action that could possibly be taken on the basis that the buyer was unkowingly ripped off would be rendered useless in light of what has been posted in this public thread. At no point was SG fooled into thinking that he was paying less. He was screwed out of the decent deal the first time around, but he agreed to overpay the second time around.

If he was truly bitter about the shadiness of the seller, he should have refused to do business with him.

[walker13.1]

Which is more silly: The fact that anyone thinks that $700 is a "good price" for any single M.U.S.C.L.E.

Keep dreaming of the day Purple 153 goes for $5 on Ebay.

Edited by vette88, 15 July 2011 - 07:49 AM.

[fuzzbuster]

Keep dreaming of the day Purple 153 goes for $5 on Ebay.

I have never once dreamed of any such thing, nor was that the heart of the point you missed in my post.

Rare colors fail to impress me. Even with the scarcity of documented examples of any given rare color and the prices some have paid for them, these, to me, are just nor what I consider a "Super Rare."

The scramble for rare colors, at least to me, always just kind of seemed like a manufactured type of classification, of which a SR hunter amuses himself with in between sightings of rare sculpts.
Be it in the pursuit of a master set, or just the need to obtain what is perceived to be the next hardest thing to find, the space between each SR sculpt discovery is what gives rise to inflated colored figured prices.

Sadly, it is just that every time someone pays way too much for any figure, creedence is given to the notion that any figure is worth that amount in general. That is what I find ridiculous; not that people are willing to pay that much, but that people feel that it is fair market value.

[walker13.1]

I have never once dreamed of any such thing, nor was that the heart of the point you missed in my post.

Rare colors fail to impress me. Even with the scarcity of documented examples of any given rare color and the prices some have paid for them, these, to me, are just nor what I consider a "Super Rare."

The scramble for rare colors, at least to me, always just kind of seemed like a manufactured type of classification, of which a SR hunter amuses himself with in between sightings of rare sculpts.
Be it in the pursuit of a master set, or just the need to obtain what is perceived to be the next hardest thing to find, the space between each SR sculpt discovery is what gives rise to inflated colored figured prices.

Sadly, it is just that every time someone pays way too much for any figure, creedence is given to the notion that any figure is worth that amount in general. That is what I find ridiculous; not that people are willing to pay that much, but that people feel that it is fair market value.

Agree with most of what you're saying. To me, it's worth whatever the buyer is willing to spend. Buyers set the market, not sellers. Sellers can hold on their figures, and hope the a buyer comes along. Supply and demand I think are the two most important factors.

Edited by vette88, 15 July 2011 - 09:33 AM.

[stoneyface]

congrats to smoking gun for actually getting the claw after all this drama. i hate hate hate hate what the seller did to you and i feel it shames us all. i wish you well on sticking that seller on a pole thru ebay. that is sucky behavior and should be discouraged...
i am just happy you got the claw at all...

[Strontium Dog]

Which is more silly: The fact that anyone thinks that $700 is a "good price" for any single M.U.S.C.L.E. figure, or that anyone believes that the seller is legally obligated to pay back any amount of money that the buyer agreed to pay.

Both are equally foolish.

Are you an expert on contract law to be able to make that kind of assessment?

It appears to me that the seller has had two legal contracts with the buyer, both of which he was obligated to fulfill. The fact he only came through on one of them would suggest to me, admittedly as a layman, that he is open to legal action for not fulfilling the other.