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[Satan+]

Hello again . I was reluctant I talk (or not) about the Yapiel-Arforbes incident . I think it is not my business but my name was citaded last week and I am a AKIA´s member as everyone .
Well , I contacted Yapiel in the middle of August and asked him if he planned to sell his BHS . His answer was he did´t planned it but would like to hear my numbers . And than , we kept contact during the rest of August and we reached $1000.00 , that I could pay him in October .
I asked him if he could send me photos of his BHS and send me Alex´s ones ( I recognize because are the same Alex post in Nate´s page ) . The fact Yapiel did´t belonged AKIA community ( so possible he is not a big MUSCLE fan and paid $910 ) , did´t use Paypal service and lives in the same Alex´s town , makes me think about it and contact Jonnhy when I noticed he denied Yapiel transaction from Super Rares section . He spoke Yapiel never paid for BHS , only fees og eBAY .
I think Alex learn more than everyone here and the fact he gets impressive feedback score on eBay and a lot of friends in this site , credits him to no judgement about this last acts .
I am very very interesting in this BHS to add my collection and I can pay for it but now I just buy a mint SHA . So Alex , if you are really interesting , contact me and we can do it by AKIA forum using a security postal service as I did with the SHA .
Thanks again and I hope everything go on .
Ricardo .

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Hello Ricardo! I was just looking through some old topics from last year. Isn't this your Second Spinning Head Asyuraman? I found the thread where Optimus George auctioned off his in the forum, and you won it. http://www.littlerub...opic=7063&st=0

[Beligerant1]

Satan+ , I am curious, how old are you and what do you do for a living? Hope I'm not to intrusive, but the fact that it doesnt seem to be a big deal for you to spend $1500 on these things has me interested. Also, how did you get interested in M.U.S.C.L.E. ? Were they released in Brazil around the same time they came out in the U.S. ? Thanks,
Dave

[Satan+]

Yes , that´s my second SHA . I bought my first last year in this site . I have a propose to sell my first one to other Brazilian collector from other town . When I said I am the bigger MUSCLE collector of my country I forgot to say there are only 3 in my country . I own 3 Satan Crosses , 2 SHAs , 2 exclusive ring figures and I need only one to finish my flesh collection .
Beligerant , I am not crazy . I am 30 years old , doctor and MUSCLE collector since I read about them in Toy Fare in June 2000 ( that´s why I think this last report of Muscle in ToyFare will bring more and more fans to our comunity ! ) .
But I know the color of the money .
As I bought this mint SHA last week , my intentions are to negociate to Alex his second BHS . I can´t pay $1000.00 right now even for a only 2 known figure like that . But he has 2 of them ... Believe , I am not crazy .
When I was a kid , I colected MOTU and GiJoes . MUSCLEs arrived in Brazil only in 90´s and in inferior plastic texture and no Y/SNT sign in theirs backs . I have a lot of them , in a lot of colors .
When I really knew MUSCLE ( ToyFare 2000 ) , I search for it in my childhood friends collections ( they are sons of airplane´s pilots ) and I realize some of them got it when a child . So that´s the way I began my collection . Note , I find a SHA MUSCLE version in a collection of a friend of mine but headless .
I hope I could explain everything .
Any question , let me know .
Ricardo .

[Beligerant1]

Don't worry I dont think you are crazy, like I said, just curious, thanks for answering my questions.

[Satan+]

Congratulations Jonnhy !!!!
In 2 weeks , more than 100 replies in "Sightings" ...
A Super Rare M.U.S.C.L.E. is still top of tops .

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

So there were some muscle sculpts released in Brazil. But in the 90's? How were they sold, and Where could you buy them? Could you post some pictures of your Brazillan Muscles? I think that's great that you are a doctor, and still have time to enjoy the simple things in life! How did your friend come across a headless Asyuraman? Which Flesh figure do you need to finish your collection? I hope I am not asking you too many questions, but you are by far one of the more interesting collectors I've met! And I mean that as a compliment to. Thanks for being a sport and answering our questions! We definitely hope to see more of you from time to time!

[Satan+]

Yes , I am a doctor and you are right about my time . But I need a hobby like everyone . And one of them is M.U.S.C.L.E.s . Í´ve been collecting toys since I was a child and like my cousing , I have a lot of 80´s action figures : MOTU ( 80´s ) , Star Wars ( 80´s and 90´s ) , GIJoers , Super Powers , etc . But most of them were finished because it´s very very hard to find or ultra expensive in Brazil when our economy wasn´t well .
When U.S. dollar lowed by Real ( Brazilian money ) , we started again ors collection . That´s why it´s very difficult to me build a collection , even so cheap like MUSCLES , because it is 2 or 3 times more expensive to me than to you . Shipping and Handling is very expensive too .
When I went to New York four yeard ago , I bought a lot of things I only dream in my chieldhood .
But living in Brazil has advantages too : a company named Glaslite released in the 80´s the infamous Vlix from Droids cartoon ( SW ) only in Brazil . So it´s value is so hight in North America .
These M.U.S.C.L.E.s that I find in Brazil were released in packages like Hong-Kong ones but it isn´t rubber , it´s a rigid plastic and do not have Y/SNT back . I always find it in flea markets . Monsters in my Pocket were released in Brazil as gift in a fast food company named Bob´s ( like McDonald´s or Burger King ) .
The only one figure I need to complete my collection is #81 . My #91 is in poor condition but I have one of it , but #81 I did´t find yet ( it is a Super Rare for me !!!!!!!) .
My chieldhood friend find his headless SHA when he was a kid because his father was airplane pilot and bring a lot of toys from U.S. for him . He do not know if his figure belongs for 4-pack or 10-pack but definitly ii´s not from 28-pack because he never bought it .
He remember the little head was attached to its middle left fist but he lost it .
The guy I bought my first SHA said the same thing about the head .
Thanks for your attention and I hope our community explodes in short time .
Any questions , let me know .
Ricardo .

[arforbes]

He remember the little head was attached to its middle left fist but he lost it .
The guy I bought my first SHA said the same thing about the head .
Thanks for your attention and I hope our community explodes in short time .
Any questions , let me know .
Ricardo .

I would say if this is accurate, it is very significant, as the SHA head was once attached like the BHS center peg...

[Satan+]

I think Alex could confirm that the head once was attached like the Japanese ones . There is a little mark in the middle left fist .

[arforbes]

I think Alex could confirm that the head once was attached like the Japanese ones . There is a little mark in the middle left fist .

There certainly is, we have spoke of this before in other threads about the SHA and it would appear that the head was indeed once attached to the middle hand because of that spur that remains. Never has a SHA with the head still attached, like the BHS, been found though.

[Satan+]

Hi everyone . I phoned to my chielhood friend last night and he confirmed me he NEVER got a 28-pack but 4 and 10-pack . He also said when he got MUSCLES , his father was flying a lot to NY ( 1987 and 1988 ) . Possibly he bought the SHA in this town . Again I tried to bought his headless SHA but he never sell his toys . Believe he is the owner of a mint Sorceress and King Randor !
I hope it helps .
Ricardo .

[Satan+]

I believe there is the same number of SHA and BHS . First of all , both and SC were from the same part in Japanese version . I think both belonged from the first MUSCLE wave and they were cancelled when Mattel realized how danger would be their small parts . Of course without a head and with a hole in the middle of the chest , they could never went ahead . In the end of the first wave , Mattel release SC , without his small part ( back ) - remember he can stand without it - but in a small quantity then others MUSCLES ( but in hight numbers than BHS and SHA ) . Indeed , as he was released after this incident , he couldn´t entered in US poster . That´s why I believe there are others BHSs and there are no other caracteres from 21-part .
In place of the second flesh wave , Mattel released ( unfortunately ) the color ones . So , the mystery remains ...
Ricardo .

[Soupie]

That´s why I believe there are others BHSs and there are no other caracteres from 21-part .

Don't forget about DE and DM! Read here.

I'm not sure if they are in Part 21 or not. However, if SRs were removed because they had dangerous, small parts, then why were DE and DM removed from the line? They certainly don't have dangerous, small parts.

I'm going to create a seperate thread for SR speculation in a few days, but for now, the following two theories, I believe, fit best with what we know about MUSCLEs.

1) Miscommunication between Bandai and Mattel, some extra figures produced.

Main Problems:

a] Has something like this ever happened?
b] Such an error seems highly unlikely.

2) Super Rares a result of only being released in Canada, while Mattel opted to create colored MUSCLEs in the U.S.

Main Problems:

a] No Super Rares found in MUSCLE packaging in Canada (that we know of).
b] No direct evidence to support this theory.

[doc_moore_j]

Sure SHA and BHS may have been removed due to small parts. The Dark Emperor may have been removed for looking too devilish, Blocken Jr most likely was removed because he had the dirty swastikas and I think Drunken Master was removed because he looked too much like Marty the chicken effer.

[Soupie]

2) Super Rares a result of only being released in Canada, while Mattel opted to create colored MUSCLEs in the U.S.

Were colored MUSCLEs available in Canada?

Soupie, please stop speculating about my extremely rare and small man parts.

Edited by Soupie, 13 October 2005 - 05:51 AM.

[Soupie]

I don’t really understand this point. All of the Super Rares have shown up in the States.

The reason I list a Canadian release as a possibility is because:

1) Though they have been found in American stores (apparently), they are rare. Why?

2) Why were they not on the American poster, or why was a 2nd/3rd wave poster not available (at least in America)?

3) If they were part of a 2nd/3rd American wave, wouldn't there be more of them -- found throughout America?

4) MUSCLEs were released in Canada, and the SRs seem to be found near the Candian border.

5) If they were part of a 2nd/3rd wave, wouldn't there be many more SRs also a part of these waves?

[Satan+]

It was 1 year this SHA arrived in my home . I think this one is the last complete figure that poped up on eBay since last year.
I am curious how does a new SHA worth when it pop up on eBay ... ?
HAPPY BITHDAY !!!

[arforbes]

It was 1 year this SHA arrived in my home . I think this one is the last complete figure that poped up on eBay since last year.
I am curious how does a new SHA worth when it pop up on eBay ... ?
HAPPY BITHDAY !!!

I would say anywhere from $422, being the highest a SHA ever went for on ebay, and possibly higher now...

[Satan+]

I think Philly paid $422 for a Eric Konroy´s SHA ; I certanly paid $407 for mine and sold my first one for near numbers like that.
But it takes 1 year none SHA pop up in MUSCLE community and as he is the most popular SR ( there are almost 10 known to exist ! ), I think it will worth so much when we discover a new figure .
Remember our community spread in the last year , mainly because the Super Rares phenomen and Magnificent Eleven discovery . There are a lot of new owners of SRs nowadays.

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

There are a lot of new owners of SRs nowadays.

Yep! And their names usually start with 'Al' and end with 'ex'.

[Satan+]

HA,HA,HA .
But I believe Jon Karis splited his former eleven SRs almost democractly. He offered them to MUSCLE´s collectors in AKIA and put the rest in auction.I think there are about seven or eight SR´s owners right now. Before Magnificent Eleven , Alex and Philly Madison rule this board.
I think Alex only profited his oportunities. He bought DE when nobody here could see that.
Changed his extra BHS for a SR he did not have.
And of course, spended a lot of money in the rest of his collection.I think we need to recognize he is one step up to all of us.