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[Stecase King]

Stupid ambiguous vowels. That page is fixed now.

[Tubba]

I told you VTR was broken: sure they try to reign him in with a power limit next time but all he needs to do is pause all his competitors and Mariposa would be the new king of Planet Kinniku. (and Mammothman...well, considering he's a Super Phoenix minion, of course they try to make him uber)

Thing is, at this point, making villains uber-overpowered without making them interesting (COUGH MAMMOTHMAN) is pointless, because we all know Kinnikuman will win anyway, so it's better to make them fun like VTR.

[Stecase King]

Thing is, at this point, making villains uber-overpowered without making them interesting (COUGH MAMMOTHMAN) is pointless, because we all know Kinnikuman will win anyway, so it's better to make them fun like VTR.

If it makes you feel any better, anyone else on Phoenix's team would have wiped out Big Body's team even faster (aside from maybe Satan Cross). Prismman could have probably done it in less than a minute.

Edited by Stecase King, 08 November 2009 - 06:38 AM.

[Molanphy]

But isn't Mammothman the strongest in Phoenix's Team, besides Phoenix himself?

[Stecase King]

But isn't Mammothman the strongest in Phoenix's Team, besides Phoenix himself?

Believe it or not, Omegaman is stronger than he is. The only reason Mammothman gets so much hype early on is because Yudetamago hadn't chosen the other three members of Phoenix's team yet.

Edited by Stecase King, 08 November 2009 - 07:00 AM.

[Prometheus13]

But isn't Mammothman the strongest in Phoenix's Team, besides Phoenix himself?

Believe it or not, Omegaman is stronger than he is. The only reason Mammothman gets so much hype early on is because Yudetamago hadn't chosen the other three members of Phoenix's team yet.

I'm not exactly sure about that. I mean, he could've defeated Big Body's team by himself, and in the final match where it eventually became a 3 way tag match, Super Phoenix and Omegaman didn't even bother to fight.

[Tubba]

Thing is, at this point, making villains uber-overpowered without making them interesting (COUGH MAMMOTHMAN) is pointless, because we all know Kinnikuman will win anyway, so it's better to make them fun like VTR.

If it makes you feel any better, anyone else on Phoenix's team would have wiped out Big Body's team even faster (aside from maybe Satan Cross). Prismman could have probably done it in less than a minute.

Well, Big Body's team is really, really, wimpy.

[Prometheus13]

Good point. But still, Omegaman never took on 3 people at once, and he had to resort to using Kinnikuman's connection to Kamehame in order to try to gain the upper hand.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

I think that some people here may be going by chojin power levels to assess who's stronger between Mammothman and Omegaman, but those aren't good indicators of who would emerge victorious in a match.

Mammothman's chojin power is 78 million.
Omegaman's chojin power is 86 million.

Does this mean that Omegaman is automatically the winner between the two? Not necessarily. Robin Mask, whose power is 960,000, was able to beat Mariposa who had 100,000,000. If chojin power was really the deciding factor in a match, Kinnikuman should never have been able to beat Zebra or Super Pheonix, even with his burning inner strength (70,000,000). With that being said, I sometimes wonder why Yudetamago made these values if they don't even matter in the end.

Edited by Blackbeard D. Kuma, 08 November 2009 - 07:59 AM.

[Matto]

Chojin Power values are basically face value and nothing else. Once you get into the real matches, it's just a pointless element (?) that somehow carried over to the 2nd gen.

[Tubba]

Chojin power seems to vary between "pure muscle" and "can I reverse this technique?"

I mean, Ashuraman has 10 million Chojin power, but he never seemed as strong as Buffaloman. Likewise, Buffaloman still has some manner of power advantage even in the battles against the Hell's Missionaries.

Not to mention Golemman flipping around Mammothman just now.

And, god forbid, YUUJOU PAWAA

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Chojin power seems to vary between "pure muscle" and "can I reverse this technique?"

I mean, Ashuraman has 10 million Chojin power, but he never seemed as strong as Buffaloman. Likewise, Buffaloman still has some manner of power advantage even in the battles against the Hell's Missionaries.

Not to mention Golemman flipping around Mammothman just now.

And, god forbid, YUUJOU PAWAA

I have a databook, and there's a top 3 for various categories like: Speed, Strength, Technique, Weight, etc.

In terms of physical strength, here are the top 3:

1) Mammothman (78 million)
2) Buffaloman (10 million)
3) Neptuneman (28 million)

So, this is a perfect example right here. Buffaloman power is considerably lower than Neptuneman's, but he is physically stronger than him. Like you said also, this is evident in Buffaloman overpowering Neptuneman in a grapple struggle during the Dream Tag arc.

If anyone is interested in any other rankings, let me know and I'll look them up.

[Molanphy]

If anyone is interested in any other rankings, let me know and I'll look them up.

It has Inteligence?

Edited by Molanphy, 08 November 2009 - 01:51 PM.

[Tubba]

Chojin power seems to vary between "pure muscle" and "can I reverse this technique?"

I mean, Ashuraman has 10 million Chojin power, but he never seemed as strong as Buffaloman. Likewise, Buffaloman still has some manner of power advantage even in the battles against the Hell's Missionaries.

Not to mention Golemman flipping around Mammothman just now.

And, god forbid, YUUJOU PAWAA

I have a databook, and there's a top 3 for various categories like: Speed, Strength, Technique, Weight, etc.

In terms of physical strength, here are the top 3:

1) Mammothman (78 million)
2) Buffaloman (10 million)
3) Neptuneman (28 million)

So, this is a perfect example right here. Buffaloman power is considerably lower than Neptuneman's, but he is physically stronger than him. Like you said also, this is evident in Buffaloman overpowering Neptuneman in a grapple struggle during the Dream Tag arc.

If anyone is interested in any other rankings, let me know and I'll look them up.

Huh, that's interesting. I wouldn't expect Neptuneman to be stronger than Neptune King.

I'd like to see the other rankings. Weight is obvious (King 100 > Sunshine > Mountain), in Speed I guess Pentagon would be in the top (And 0-power Buffaloman?), Technique would have... Robin Mask and Prince Kamehame in top, I reckon.

[TheOrgg]

And intelligence would have...

Hmmm...

[Stecase King]

Huh, that's interesting. I wouldn't expect Neptuneman to be stronger than Neptune King.

I'd like to see the other rankings. Weight is obvious (King 100 > Sunshine > Mountain), in Speed I guess Pentagon would be in the top (And 0-power Buffaloman?), Technique would have... Robin Mask and Prince Kamehame in top, I reckon.

I think Kinnikuman Zebra may outspeed Pentagon. The Ninja might be up there, too.

[Molanphy]

And intelligence would have...

Hmmm...

Phoenix and Robin and others maybe ^^

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Forgive me for taking so long everyone. I was busy doing a few other things before.

Here is some more information from the databook.

Top 3 in speed:

1) Mariposa
2) The Ninja
3) Hawkman

Top 3 in stamina:

1) Kinnikuman
2) Akuma Shogun
3) Mammothman

Top 3 in technique:

1) Robin Mask
2) Ramenman
3) Zebra

Top 3 in size:

1) Sunshine
2) Parthenon
3) Big The Budo

Top 3 in weight:

1) King The 100 Ton
2) The Mountain
3) Sunshine

Top 3 in popularity:

1) Ramenman
2) Robin Mask
3) Buffaloman

Top 3 in intelligence:

1) Super Phoenix
2) Robin Mask
3) Ramenman

Top 3 in cruelty:

1) Warsman
2) Ramenman
3) Junkman

Top 3 in immortality:

1) Warsman
2) Wolfman
3) Kinnikuman

Top 3 in high technology:

1) Mr. VTR
2) Bikeman
3) Stereo Cassette King

Top 3 in uniqueness:

I'm not sure of the exact order for this, so I'll just list the characters.

1) Benkiman
2) Curry Cook
3) I can't quite remember his name, but his body is comprised of locks

There are also scales out of 100 for how powerful certain techniques are. This will take a bit of time, so I'll probably post them for you guys in a little while.

[Stecase King]

The only things on that list that I question are Hawkman being the third fastest character in the series and Sunshine being the biggest.

[Prometheus13]

How is Wolfman up there; he dies all the time

[Stecase King]

How is Wolfman up there; he dies all the time

Given that Warsman holds the title for most deaths in the series, that's probably what the "immortality" stat measures.

Chapter 283: Out of every enemy Kinnikuman faces in the entire series, the one who causes him the most damage in the longrun isn't Akuma Shogun. It isn't Super Phoenix. It's a random member of Mariposa's team who's best remembered for getting killed off by Meat.
http://www.megalopuad.coc/?d=62BV2O56

Edited by fuzzbuster, 24 January 2012 - 10:44 AM.

[Kawaii Kenni]

The immortality is a Rasputin-esque immortality. It's how many times they have to be killed.

[SoldierAtaru]

Immortality...it's bizarre that some Choujin keep coming back over and over (Warsman, Wolfman), but some die and...stay dead. You do have to wonder why some Choujin just stay down there.

As for Mixer Taitei...well in a bizarre way, it was him WITH the gods (Phoenix inclued) so it's not like it's that random.

BTW: considering I'm actually looking over Nisei...and liking it, I am considering doing Nisei...but considering Viz already has it out here, I wonder if anyone will read my version.

Edited by SoldierAtaru, 09 November 2009 - 08:20 AM.

[Matto]

Ataru, please don't. While I would love to read your translations, it's best not to take the risk... even though other scanlation teams are still scanlating series that are already licensed.

Taking on a Nisei fan sub would be alot more safer (kind of) since it isn't licensed yet. But that's just me personally.

[Tubba]

Well, that doesn't make an awful lot of sense. Not that I expected it to. I mean, Pentagon can fly at Mach 3, and exactly how is Prince Kamehame NOT in the top 3 for technique?