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I like them. I think Anakin's hand looks cool, and Mace is the best figure overall.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 05:51 AM
Prepare to shizznit your pants Nate...
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Can you believe it?
I like them. I think Anakin's hand looks cool, and Mace is the best figure overall.
http://www.rebelscum...cle.asp?i=44764
Can you believe it?
I like them. I think Anakin's hand looks cool, and Mace is the best figure overall.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 06:19 AM
Wow! I love them! Obi-Wan looks awesome! I'm not quite sure about the articulation, though. It seems like most of them have shoulder, waist, and neck articulation, but no hip or leg joints. I guess I'd have to play with them to really see if that's a problem.
But I'm disappointed that they're Target exclusives because I think that finding them in the stores virtually impossible. Exclusives are easy to find when they're vehicles or 12"ers because either not everyone wants them, or not everyone can afford the price. But ALL Star Wars fans will be looking for these animated guys because they've been so highly requested and they will be relatively inexpensive. Also, I don't have a Target in my area, so I'm effectively screwed.
And no, I didn't shizznit my pants, but I'm about to if I don't visit the rest room soon. I've been drinking Pepsi and for some reason, it frequently acts as a laxitive for me.
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But I'm disappointed that they're Target exclusives because I think that finding them in the stores virtually impossible. Exclusives are easy to find when they're vehicles or 12"ers because either not everyone wants them, or not everyone can afford the price. But ALL Star Wars fans will be looking for these animated guys because they've been so highly requested and they will be relatively inexpensive. Also, I don't have a Target in my area, so I'm effectively screwed.
And no, I didn't shizznit my pants, but I'm about to if I don't visit the rest room soon. I've been drinking Pepsi and for some reason, it frequently acts as a laxitive for me.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 06:53 AM
Do you want me to get them for you if I see them? I go to Target all the time, and even when just my girlfriend goes she checks for stuff.Also, I don't have a Target in my area, so I'm effectively screwed.
You don't care about MOMC, right?
The articulation isn't really an issue for me with these figures. For me it would feel very strange if these figures had tons of articulation. They seem very static, which is fine, so they shouldn't have too much movement.
Do you think it will be these 4 figures only?
Or will it be like the Droids and Ewoks toys? They make the first wave of figures, but cancel it before they make the really cool figures.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 07:22 AM
I think that this animated line will really take off. The "geometric" animated style (like Justice League and Batman) is really popular nowadays, and Star Wars fans have been frothing at the mouth for Clone Wars style figures, so I'm expecting these things to fly off the shelves. As long as they're reasonably priced, that is.
I think there will probably be another wave. Yoda would, of course, be a requirement for the next wave. I think that an animated Clone Trooper is another obvious choice. As for the other two (assuming they keep the 4-figure wave), I would think that they would go with Padme, so that they round out the heroes, and Durge, so that at least one villian is included per wave.
I would really like a Kit Fisto and Squidhead Jedi (shown in the pic below), but I just don't see them coming so early in the line since they're secondary characters.
And that would be awesome if you could pick up an Obi-Wan for me! I don't care about the packaging at all, so if it's mangled, I don't give a flip as long as the figure's okay. Thanks!
-Nathan
I think there will probably be another wave. Yoda would, of course, be a requirement for the next wave. I think that an animated Clone Trooper is another obvious choice. As for the other two (assuming they keep the 4-figure wave), I would think that they would go with Padme, so that they round out the heroes, and Durge, so that at least one villian is included per wave.
I would really like a Kit Fisto and Squidhead Jedi (shown in the pic below), but I just don't see them coming so early in the line since they're secondary characters.
And that would be awesome if you could pick up an Obi-Wan for me! I don't care about the packaging at all, so if it's mangled, I don't give a flip as long as the figure's okay. Thanks!
-Nathan
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Posted 01 October 2003 - 06:14 AM
I don't know if I'm repeating myself, but Ken Lilly of Palisades always brings up that he always wanted to Make Star Wars action figures, but since Hasbro has the licence, they just never could or will.
Just think of a Chewbacca figure done with the same care and precision (sp?) that Fozzie was...
The details alone.... wooooow!
Just think of a Chewbacca figure done with the same care and precision (sp?) that Fozzie was...
The details alone.... wooooow!
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 10:38 AM
This might be old news for you, Veers, but here's the line-up for Jabba's Palace:
Luke Jedi Hologram: Neat idea, but the clear plastic makes Luke look too shiny. I think clear blue plastic would look better. The head sculpt is a little hurting, too. I'll pass on this one.
Lando Skiff: This is by far the best Lando sculpt yet. I like the detailing of the mask, too... and the nifty holster for his blaster is a nice touch.
Whipid: This guy has always been one of my favorite aliens! It looks like he has a wide range of movements, which is a bonus because aliens usually get the short end of the stick when it comes to articulation. The blaster doesn't seem like a blaster that this sort of alien would carry around. It looks more like a Stormtrooper blaster to me.
Rappertunie: A good sculpt, but there doesn't seem to be much you can do with the figure except put him on display. I'll skip it.
Elom: This guy has the same body and gun as the Whipid (or is it the other way around..?). That's a shame... he had the potential to be a really unique alien. I'll pass.
Jabba: Although this figure is little more than a collection of rehashes (Jabba is the same sculpt as Jabba Glob, and the pipe bowl is the same as the vintage version), the improved paint job and details make this the best Jabba so far. I just hope he's still made of the squishy plastic like Glob... that stuff had a nice feel, and you could squish his head together to make him talk.
Jabba's Court Denizens (B'omarr monk, Bubo, and Wol Cabasshizznite): Not much interesting here: B'omarr monk is a rerelease, and the other two figures seem more like accessories than actual figures. Skip.
That's it... overall, I'm pleased with the direction Hasbro is going with these themed sets. They're great ways to complete dioramas. I just hope distribution isn't a problem.
-Nathan
Luke Jedi Hologram: Neat idea, but the clear plastic makes Luke look too shiny. I think clear blue plastic would look better. The head sculpt is a little hurting, too. I'll pass on this one.
Lando Skiff: This is by far the best Lando sculpt yet. I like the detailing of the mask, too... and the nifty holster for his blaster is a nice touch.
Whipid: This guy has always been one of my favorite aliens! It looks like he has a wide range of movements, which is a bonus because aliens usually get the short end of the stick when it comes to articulation. The blaster doesn't seem like a blaster that this sort of alien would carry around. It looks more like a Stormtrooper blaster to me.
Rappertunie: A good sculpt, but there doesn't seem to be much you can do with the figure except put him on display. I'll skip it.
Elom: This guy has the same body and gun as the Whipid (or is it the other way around..?). That's a shame... he had the potential to be a really unique alien. I'll pass.
Jabba: Although this figure is little more than a collection of rehashes (Jabba is the same sculpt as Jabba Glob, and the pipe bowl is the same as the vintage version), the improved paint job and details make this the best Jabba so far. I just hope he's still made of the squishy plastic like Glob... that stuff had a nice feel, and you could squish his head together to make him talk.
Jabba's Court Denizens (B'omarr monk, Bubo, and Wol Cabasshizznite): Not much interesting here: B'omarr monk is a rerelease, and the other two figures seem more like accessories than actual figures. Skip.
That's it... overall, I'm pleased with the direction Hasbro is going with these themed sets. They're great ways to complete dioramas. I just hope distribution isn't a problem.
-Nathan
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You’ve pretty much summed up my feelings.
The Luke is really a cool idea, but it just isn’t right. But to be fair you could never recreate that look in a figure. Remember Luke’s hologram isn’t blue like all of the other holograms are/were in the movies. It was more of a grainy projection. If the really wanted this figure to work they would have included a base with light projection that would go through and around the figure. Better yet, an R2 that shines onto the figure.
Lando looks good. But Lando figure usually don’t do too much for me.
Whipid and Elom look great! Except one of them has the wrong body. They look cool, but I wish that had changed a little more than the color. But it is still better than another Darth Maul. I don’t have a problem with the blasters. In fact I prefer the basic looking blaster that stay true to the movie. These are outsiders hanging at Jabba’s, so it makes sense that they’ve probably jumped a few Stormtroopers and took their gear.
Rappertunie looks cool. But this figure doesn’t need too much playability. I think even a kid would think, “I just need him to sit there as part of Jabba’s crew.” So I think this figure is mainly for collectors, that just let their figures sit there, or for perfectionistic kids.
Jabba. Hey, he looks cool. I know it’s basically a repaint, but it looks good.
Jabba’s pals. Again, not too bad. With the monk I think it’s fair to guess most kids don’t have him. Wasn’t it the first mail-away for the new line? Or was it Stormtrooper Han? Either way it’s a nice group of “monsters”. I’m a little shocked with how small that “snake-thing” is. I always thought it was much bigger.
I also agree that the theme idea is pretty cool. It really helps kids, and collectors. Kids finally have a group of figures that go together instead of Slave Leia and a Royal Guard. Plus it lets Hasbro slide some “collector” figures into the mix, without sacrificing playability. Face it, what was a kid gonna do with Aunt Beru if he didn’t have any other Tatooine figures?
And I’m sure distribution won’t be a problem.
The Luke is really a cool idea, but it just isn’t right. But to be fair you could never recreate that look in a figure. Remember Luke’s hologram isn’t blue like all of the other holograms are/were in the movies. It was more of a grainy projection. If the really wanted this figure to work they would have included a base with light projection that would go through and around the figure. Better yet, an R2 that shines onto the figure.
Lando looks good. But Lando figure usually don’t do too much for me.
Whipid and Elom look great! Except one of them has the wrong body. They look cool, but I wish that had changed a little more than the color. But it is still better than another Darth Maul. I don’t have a problem with the blasters. In fact I prefer the basic looking blaster that stay true to the movie. These are outsiders hanging at Jabba’s, so it makes sense that they’ve probably jumped a few Stormtroopers and took their gear.
Rappertunie looks cool. But this figure doesn’t need too much playability. I think even a kid would think, “I just need him to sit there as part of Jabba’s crew.” So I think this figure is mainly for collectors, that just let their figures sit there, or for perfectionistic kids.
Jabba. Hey, he looks cool. I know it’s basically a repaint, but it looks good.
Jabba’s pals. Again, not too bad. With the monk I think it’s fair to guess most kids don’t have him. Wasn’t it the first mail-away for the new line? Or was it Stormtrooper Han? Either way it’s a nice group of “monsters”. I’m a little shocked with how small that “snake-thing” is. I always thought it was much bigger.
I also agree that the theme idea is pretty cool. It really helps kids, and collectors. Kids finally have a group of figures that go together instead of Slave Leia and a Royal Guard. Plus it lets Hasbro slide some “collector” figures into the mix, without sacrificing playability. Face it, what was a kid gonna do with Aunt Beru if he didn’t have any other Tatooine figures?
And I’m sure distribution won’t be a problem.
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 12:48 PM
Is anyone else dissappointed the Clone Wars stuff looks exactly like they've repackaged the Ep 2 toys? I was really hoping to have the Genndy Tartikofsky style animated figures. Maybe that would have gotten me more interrested in these.
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Read Veers' previous post for an article about the animated Clone Wars figures. They are in the style of the cartoon, although limited articulation will limit their playability. For example, I can't imagine Obi-Wan fitting in the Jedi Starfighter, or putting Mace in any sort of diorama.
And I agree, initially I was very disappointed that the Clone Wars toys were basically repackaged crap. But they have made some interesting figures, like Durge and the Jedi 3-pack, that I think really add to the "realistic" Star Wars line.
By the way, I read on a site that the next wave of animated-style Clone Wars figures will be Yoda, Durge, Dooku, and a Clone Trooper. I can't wait to see Yoda!
-Nathan
And I agree, initially I was very disappointed that the Clone Wars toys were basically repackaged crap. But they have made some interesting figures, like Durge and the Jedi 3-pack, that I think really add to the "realistic" Star Wars line.
By the way, I read on a site that the next wave of animated-style Clone Wars figures will be Yoda, Durge, Dooku, and a Clone Trooper. I can't wait to see Yoda!
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Are you kidding? I can't wait to see the Clone Trooper!
I hope it is a very neutral pose. I'd love to have a little army in my office.
I hope it is a very neutral pose. I'd love to have a little army in my office.
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Yup. Actually, I got that information from this site (the next wave line up is in the last paragraph). But who knows how credible the site is... 
I wouldn't get your hopes up for a neutral posed Clone Trooper. It seems like all the figures are pre-posed. That's unfortunate, but they do look 100 times more fun than those Justice League pieces of crap that look like they're standing at attention all the time.
By the way, I was looking at some of my previous posts in this thread, and it's fun to see how it's progressed over the past year. Check out this quote from me...
Really, there's only so much you can do with this line when there's no new movies, and I think Hasbro will reach that point soon after the last one. Sure, there may be a cartoon... but that's a big "maybe"...
Heh... oops...
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I wouldn't get your hopes up for a neutral posed Clone Trooper. It seems like all the figures are pre-posed. That's unfortunate, but they do look 100 times more fun than those Justice League pieces of crap that look like they're standing at attention all the time.
By the way, I was looking at some of my previous posts in this thread, and it's fun to see how it's progressed over the past year. Check out this quote from me...
Really, there's only so much you can do with this line when there's no new movies, and I think Hasbro will reach that point soon after the last one. Sure, there may be a cartoon... but that's a big "maybe"...
Heh... oops...
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Edited by Tortle, 30 October 2003 - 01:29 PM.
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 01:44 PM
Dear lord... they've actually made good Star Wars figures...
I will buy these no doubt.
I'm a big fan of genndy tartikofsky's work, myself, especially Dexter.
These will be the first SW figures I will get.
I was never really interrest in the line, as I've said here or somewhere else earlier, since they were the same as GI Joes. I disliked both because they cost too much for their size. I like big figures (Foozie Bear and Sam the Eagle are pretty huge) but these animated troopers are going to rock...
Especially Yoda!
I will buy these no doubt.
I'm a big fan of genndy tartikofsky's work, myself, especially Dexter.
These will be the first SW figures I will get.
I was never really interrest in the line, as I've said here or somewhere else earlier, since they were the same as GI Joes. I disliked both because they cost too much for their size. I like big figures (Foozie Bear and Sam the Eagle are pretty huge) but these animated troopers are going to rock...
Especially Yoda!
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Oops. Nate that's not quite what I meant. I knew about the figures. I meant, "Yoda?! Why would you want to see that one? I can't wait to see the Clone Trooper!"Yup. Actually, I got that information from this site (the next wave line up is in the last paragraph). But who knows how credible the site is...
Not that I think Yoda will suck, I just think the Clone Trooper is going to be crazy-cool.
Speaking of Clone Troopers, check this out.
Let the Army building begin!
And it is pretty fun to look back on this thread. I still think Hasbo should hire us.
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Oh. Okay. I think the Clone Trooper will be cool, but I'm more excited about Yoda. I'm not sure if the Clone Trooper will be all that visually different from the "realistic" Clone Trooper figures. Yoda will be drastically different, though. Besides, in my opinion, we haven't had a decent Yoda since the first POTF2 one (the E1 and 2 Yodas did nothing for me... they looked too weird). Hopefully, this animated one will be different enough that it will be interesting.Oops. Nate that's not quite what I meant. I knew about the figures. I meant, "Yoda?! Why would you want to see that one? I can't wait to see the Clone Trooper!"
Speaking of Clone Troopers, check this out.
Yeah, the sculpt looks cool, but that color scheme SUCKS! Just kidding, by the way. I know that the Star Wars line has nothing to do with TF:Armada.
So does anybody collect the Clone Wars line? For that matter, what about any Expanded Universe stuff? I'm a strictly movie guy myself, I can't stand EU stuff. Although that might change when they run out of stuff from the movies to make.
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Are you asking me about Star Wars fans, or is it just a general question? Either way you’re getting my answer.
I think that the Clone and Jedi 3-packs have been the hands down winners, with the ARC Trooper and Wal-Mart 2-Packs close behind those. However the rest of the line seems to be filling up the shelves. On the plus side it looks like stores ordered less merchandise, but that only makes it harder to get the stuff “we” really want.
As for Expanded Universe stuff, I tend to skip it. Having said that I should qualify it a bit. The vintage expanded universe stuff (Ewoks, Droids, Mini-Rigs, etc.) was pretty cool. It basically stayed within the SW universe. Although you could argue the Ewoks and Droids weren’t cool, I would be more apt to suggest that their cool reception was due to an over saturation of SW stuff at the end of a very long run.
As for the “modern” expanded universe it’s very hit or miss. The Cloud Car and Snowspeeder were terrible, but some of the Dark Empire stuff was kind of cool (Mara Jade, Thrawn, Imperial Sentinel).
The Clone War cartoon figures are expanded universe, and I think those look great.
I think Expanded Universe stuff is very hard to do. Unless it is in one of the six movies, I consider it Expanded Universe. This means that there is infinite EU stuff. Wouldn’t you like to see a General Veers Command Post? I can picture it in my mind, and it seems very “SW-y”. However when you see it you might think, “Dude did they rip-off Buck Rogers and mix it with extra G.I. Joe stuff?”
I guess my point is that EU is always going to be hit or miss. And I think the best way to approach it is piece by piece.
I think that the Clone and Jedi 3-packs have been the hands down winners, with the ARC Trooper and Wal-Mart 2-Packs close behind those. However the rest of the line seems to be filling up the shelves. On the plus side it looks like stores ordered less merchandise, but that only makes it harder to get the stuff “we” really want.
As for Expanded Universe stuff, I tend to skip it. Having said that I should qualify it a bit. The vintage expanded universe stuff (Ewoks, Droids, Mini-Rigs, etc.) was pretty cool. It basically stayed within the SW universe. Although you could argue the Ewoks and Droids weren’t cool, I would be more apt to suggest that their cool reception was due to an over saturation of SW stuff at the end of a very long run.
As for the “modern” expanded universe it’s very hit or miss. The Cloud Car and Snowspeeder were terrible, but some of the Dark Empire stuff was kind of cool (Mara Jade, Thrawn, Imperial Sentinel).
The Clone War cartoon figures are expanded universe, and I think those look great.
I think Expanded Universe stuff is very hard to do. Unless it is in one of the six movies, I consider it Expanded Universe. This means that there is infinite EU stuff. Wouldn’t you like to see a General Veers Command Post? I can picture it in my mind, and it seems very “SW-y”. However when you see it you might think, “Dude did they rip-off Buck Rogers and mix it with extra G.I. Joe stuff?”
I guess my point is that EU is always going to be hit or miss. And I think the best way to approach it is piece by piece.
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How cool would this be?
Over at Rebelscum there’s a new Probe Droid question, and it basically asks if prequel figures – done in a vintage style – would be a good idea?
I think it would be great! It would be such a fun idea. Imagine having a complete collection of Episode I-VI figures, all in the same style. I know it won’t happen but it’s pretty fun to think about.
And, of course, they would have to be released on vintage cards.
You know what would be even cooler? If you could send in proofs-of-purchase and get a preview figure from the up coming movie Episode IV: A New Hope. Then when you get it it’s Luke Skywalker or Chewie (with a ©2005).
Over at Rebelscum there’s a new Probe Droid question, and it basically asks if prequel figures – done in a vintage style – would be a good idea?
I think it would be great! It would be such a fun idea. Imagine having a complete collection of Episode I-VI figures, all in the same style. I know it won’t happen but it’s pretty fun to think about.
And, of course, they would have to be released on vintage cards.
You know what would be even cooler? If you could send in proofs-of-purchase and get a preview figure from the up coming movie Episode IV: A New Hope. Then when you get it it’s Luke Skywalker or Chewie (with a ©2005).
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Okay, two of your posts I need to address:
Expanded Universe
I think that 90% of the time EU is a bad idea. Sometimes I like EU toys because they fill a niche in the market. For example, Mini-Rigs filled the need for small affordable vehicles, and they were a lot of fun. And the animated figures are great, because I really think we need some decent animated-style figures.
But of all the EU toys over the years, those are pretty much the only ones I can think of that were decent. I didn't like the Shadows of the Empire or EU POTF2 line because I thought the designs didn't have the "Star Wars" feel. The concept toys (Snowspeeder, Cloud Car, and more recently, Stormtrooper) don't look like they fit in the Star Wars universe at all. Also, I don't even know the EU characters. Kyle who??
So, if there's a reason to make EU stuff (like filling the need for animated-style figures), I'll probably dig them. Otherwise... psh.
(By the way, I don't really consider the Clone Trooper and Jedi 3-packs as EU, although the Jedi 3-pack probably is, since those Jedis weren't seen on screen.)
Vintage-style Prequel Figures
Hm... I really don't know. I think it's a cute idea, but I like vintage SW figures because of their nostalgia and collectibility. New vintage-style figures would have neither, and nor would rereleases.
For example, it's cool owning a vintage R2 Sensorscope. That's a figure that I had as a kid and, in a way, it's a 20 year-old relic. But a brand-new R2 with jets..? That just doesn't have the appeal for me.
But if they made a few, I might pick some up. A new vintage-style Yoda would probably be fun.
-Nathan
Expanded Universe
I think that 90% of the time EU is a bad idea. Sometimes I like EU toys because they fill a niche in the market. For example, Mini-Rigs filled the need for small affordable vehicles, and they were a lot of fun. And the animated figures are great, because I really think we need some decent animated-style figures.
But of all the EU toys over the years, those are pretty much the only ones I can think of that were decent. I didn't like the Shadows of the Empire or EU POTF2 line because I thought the designs didn't have the "Star Wars" feel. The concept toys (Snowspeeder, Cloud Car, and more recently, Stormtrooper) don't look like they fit in the Star Wars universe at all. Also, I don't even know the EU characters. Kyle who??
So, if there's a reason to make EU stuff (like filling the need for animated-style figures), I'll probably dig them. Otherwise... psh.
(By the way, I don't really consider the Clone Trooper and Jedi 3-packs as EU, although the Jedi 3-pack probably is, since those Jedis weren't seen on screen.)
Vintage-style Prequel Figures
Hm... I really don't know. I think it's a cute idea, but I like vintage SW figures because of their nostalgia and collectibility. New vintage-style figures would have neither, and nor would rereleases.
For example, it's cool owning a vintage R2 Sensorscope. That's a figure that I had as a kid and, in a way, it's a 20 year-old relic. But a brand-new R2 with jets..? That just doesn't have the appeal for me.
But if they made a few, I might pick some up. A new vintage-style Yoda would probably be fun.
-Nathan
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Hold on to your hat and check this out...
http://starwars.com/...20031105_1.html
I think he looks pretty cool, but a little evil. Or maybe a little bizarro-ish, as in Superman and Bizarro Superman.
As for your your post...
I agree the R2 with jets isn’t really a great idea. But I think a Clone Trooper, Kit Fisto, Darth Maul, Jar Jar, and any of the unique looking characters would be pretty fun to have in a vintage style. But I certainly don’t see this happening.
But you said, “I like vintage SW figures because of their nostalgia and collectibility. New vintage-style figures would have neither, and nor would rereleases.”
Let me start with what I agree with: vintage SW figures do have nostalgia, and re-releases would not have nostalgia.
However, the collectibility of SW figures is all in a person’s perception. I collect vintage SW for the memories it evokes, not for the value of the figures. Another person may collect simply because of the value, they see it as an investment. Still another person may collect because they enjoy the “camp” value of the figure design. And one collector may collect for all of these reasons. However another person may see them as toys taking up space in their attic. Collectibility is always in the eye of the beholder. Hell, why do people collect Coke stuff or McDonald’s stuff?
I also think that vintage prequel figures could have nostalgia if they were done properly. The figures would have to look identical to the vintage figures. They would have to have simple design, generic stances, and simple paint. Then they would have to be packaged on vintage cards, with great pictures on the card, and 12, 41, or whatever number of figures on the back. And most importantly they would have to be easy to get. No short-packing. No chase figures. No exclusives. If I walked into TRU or Target and there was a row of vintage style figures on vintage cards, then I would certainly feel nostalgic.
These figures collectibility is as arguable as anything collectibility. Are Coke collector’s going to buy them? Maybe. Are SW collector’s going to horde them? Maybe. Are they going to be worth hundreds of dollars? Maybe someday, but probably not. But this doesn’t mean that they won’t be collectible to some people, which doesn’t make them any less collectible.
http://starwars.com/...20031105_1.html
I think he looks pretty cool, but a little evil. Or maybe a little bizarro-ish, as in Superman and Bizarro Superman.
As for your your post...
I agree the R2 with jets isn’t really a great idea. But I think a Clone Trooper, Kit Fisto, Darth Maul, Jar Jar, and any of the unique looking characters would be pretty fun to have in a vintage style. But I certainly don’t see this happening.
But you said, “I like vintage SW figures because of their nostalgia and collectibility. New vintage-style figures would have neither, and nor would rereleases.”
Let me start with what I agree with: vintage SW figures do have nostalgia, and re-releases would not have nostalgia.
However, the collectibility of SW figures is all in a person’s perception. I collect vintage SW for the memories it evokes, not for the value of the figures. Another person may collect simply because of the value, they see it as an investment. Still another person may collect because they enjoy the “camp” value of the figure design. And one collector may collect for all of these reasons. However another person may see them as toys taking up space in their attic. Collectibility is always in the eye of the beholder. Hell, why do people collect Coke stuff or McDonald’s stuff?
I also think that vintage prequel figures could have nostalgia if they were done properly. The figures would have to look identical to the vintage figures. They would have to have simple design, generic stances, and simple paint. Then they would have to be packaged on vintage cards, with great pictures on the card, and 12, 41, or whatever number of figures on the back. And most importantly they would have to be easy to get. No short-packing. No chase figures. No exclusives. If I walked into TRU or Target and there was a row of vintage style figures on vintage cards, then I would certainly feel nostalgic.
These figures collectibility is as arguable as anything collectibility. Are Coke collector’s going to buy them? Maybe. Are SW collector’s going to horde them? Maybe. Are they going to be worth hundreds of dollars? Maybe someday, but probably not. But this doesn’t mean that they won’t be collectible to some people, which doesn’t make them any less collectible.
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Yeah, I know. I've seen plenty of weird collections. One guy I knew collected beer cans. He had so many that they lined the walls of his kitchen and rec room. And all of them were different. And hell, I have a stash of cereal boxes somewhere. I don't throw them away, but I'm not sure why.However, the collectibility of SW figures is all in a person’s perception. ... Collectibility is always in the eye of the beholder.
Anyway, I meant that I (personally) would not consider them collectible. I consider vintage figures to be collectible because they're old and somewhat difficult to find in good condition.
Frankly, vintage-style figures would just look... well... crappy. Those customs, even though they're very well made, still look dumb. My vintage figures look the same way, but I excuse them because of my nostalgia for them, and the fact that they were the best Kenner could do at that time period. But nowadays Hasbro could do so much better... why revert back to the old styles?
The only chance they would have of being released is if they were exclusives (which goes against one of your requirements). I just can't imagine these things selling good enough to devote shelf space for them. Kids would HATE them. Hell, in the poll, the most common response from SW collectors was that they were "uninterested". And these people buy ANYTHING Star Wars-related.
As for Yoda, he kind of reminds me of the vintage version. I hope he comes with some pretty good accessories, as I expect these animated Clone Wars figures to cost more than the usual $5 since they're exclusives.
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Posted 06 November 2003 - 08:44 AM
You’re quite right. But kids wouldn’t have any nostalgia for these figures. The nostalgia would have to come from adult collectors. At any rate, these aren’t going to be made. But I know that I would like them.Kids would HATE them. Hell, in the poll, the most common response from SW collectors was that they were "uninterested". And these people buy ANYTHING Star Wars-related.
...I expect these animated Clone Wars figures to cost more than the usual $5 since they're exclusives.
As for the price of these figures I’d be shocked if they were more than $5. SW figures routinely clog the shelves, so I’m sure Hasbro doesn’t want the reason to be too high of a price tag.
If it turns out that they are more then $5, then I think we may see Clone War toys on the clearance shelf. Or kids will love them, they’ll sell like crazy, and I’ll be a dumb-arse-wishing-Hasbro-would-make-shizznitty-prequel-vintage-style-figures.
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I think you being a dumb-arse-wishing-Hasbro-would-make-shizznitty-prequel-vintage-style-figures has little to do with the Clone Wars toys. But I digress.Or kids will love them, they’ll sell like crazy, and I’ll be a dumb-arse-wishing-Hasbro-would-make-shizznitty-prequel-vintage-style-figures.
So what do you collect? And how do you collect (completist)?
I only buy 3 3/4" scale toys. And as I'm more of a minimalist (for space and financial reasons), I concentrate on getting only a few of my favorites per wave, which are usually the aliens and creatures (as long as they're not from the SE). For example, of the waves I've seen, I'm planning on getting the Wampa, Jabba, a few of the Jabba's Palace aliens, and animated Obi-Wan and Yoda. What about you (or any other SW collectors, for that matter)?
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Interesting you should ask. I have just broken my completist mindset…from a certain point of view.
I still want to have a loose complete 3 3/4" vintage set (figures, vehicles, playsets, and carrying cases).
And for a while I was a completist with the new 3 3/4" stuff. I was trying to have everything MOMC. Then I switched to just the new stuff that had figures (i.e., TIE Bomber with pilot). But a few weeks ago I had a melt down. I was like, “What the eff am I doing? I don’t even like these figures?”
Since then I’m only buying stuff that I like, and I’m staring to open more. However that doesn’t mean I still don’t want stuff MOMC. In fact I want a complete set of MOMC 3-pack Clone Troopers (White, Red, Yellow, and Blue). I’m only going to buy SW stuff that gives me that SW feeling.
I’m really looking forward to the entire Hoth themed set. General Rekin (sp?) is going to be badass.
I still want to have a loose complete 3 3/4" vintage set (figures, vehicles, playsets, and carrying cases).
And for a while I was a completist with the new 3 3/4" stuff. I was trying to have everything MOMC. Then I switched to just the new stuff that had figures (i.e., TIE Bomber with pilot). But a few weeks ago I had a melt down. I was like, “What the eff am I doing? I don’t even like these figures?”
Since then I’m only buying stuff that I like, and I’m staring to open more. However that doesn’t mean I still don’t want stuff MOMC. In fact I want a complete set of MOMC 3-pack Clone Troopers (White, Red, Yellow, and Blue). I’m only going to buy SW stuff that gives me that SW feeling.
I’m really looking forward to the entire Hoth themed set. General Rekin (sp?) is going to be badass.
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Well Nate here’s our first look at the Unleashed Chewie…
http://www.starwars....20031107_1.html
I think it’s ok. But doesn’t the bowcaster seem HUGE?
And here’s the Clone Trooper…
http://www.starwars....20031107_2.html
I like it because it’s fairly basic, but I think the fact that he’s stepping over a dead body really adds to this figure. I think it’s the first time they’ve caught a mood (which they’ve wanted to do) with these figures. I think it shows the mindlessness and lack of sympathy and/or empathy. I’ll be picking this one up for sure.
And here’s a pretty good Army builder…
http://www.rebelscum.....;s Collection
But his Clone Army is no match for my Stormtrooper Army, although the marching figures are the coolest looking of the group.
http://www.starwars....20031107_1.html
I think it’s ok. But doesn’t the bowcaster seem HUGE?
And here’s the Clone Trooper…
http://www.starwars....20031107_2.html
I like it because it’s fairly basic, but I think the fact that he’s stepping over a dead body really adds to this figure. I think it’s the first time they’ve caught a mood (which they’ve wanted to do) with these figures. I think it shows the mindlessness and lack of sympathy and/or empathy. I’ll be picking this one up for sure.
And here’s a pretty good Army builder…
http://www.rebelscum.....;s Collection
But his Clone Army is no match for my Stormtrooper Army, although the marching figures are the coolest looking of the group.
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 08:25 AM
That's interesting, because I've broken my minimalist mindset... from a certain point of view.Interesting you should ask. I have just broken my completist mindset…from a certain point of view.
I've always loved the Jabba's Palace environment, so I've decided to buy all of Jabba's minions. But I have also set up limits: 1) No SE crap (meaning no Jabba's dancers, and I'll use the vintage Sy Snoodles), 2) only Jabba's Courtroom denzions (which excludes skiff guards, droids, and the Rancor Keeper, but I'll make an exception now and then for cool guys like Pote Snitkin), and 3) nothing scene-specific (no Boushh, Han-just-removed-from-carbonite, etc). The limits make collecting for the diorama managable. Otherwise, I would need to get Skiffs, Rappertunie, 8D8, Luke Hologram... the list would seem endless.
I used to have all of Jabba's entourage. Unfortunately, in a "minimalist" toy-giving spree a few years ago, I gave away a few key figures like Max Rebo, Gammorean Guard, and Ree Yees. But I'm working on filling the holes via Ebay. Fortunately, they're not too expensive, but Pote Snitkin and Ree Yees may set me back a bit.
As for the Chewie, I really dig it! Maybe that's because I'm such a Chewie dork... but I can't wait to get it! I think you're right, the bowcaster does seem a bit big. But all these Unleashed figures are distorted in some way to add character, so I don't mind.
The Clone Trooper looks pretty cool, too. I thought you'd like it. The Luke Hoth Pilot looks... amazingly dull. The detail is nice, but there is nothing at all going on with him.
And that guy has an amazing army of Clone Troopers! And they don't look like the Hong Kong bootlegs, either, so he had to have spent a crapload of money! I counted...
* 196 Clone Troopers
* At an average of $3.50 each (he probably took advantage of that Walmart free Clone figure promotion, maybe some KB sales, and the reduced price per figure of the clone 3-packs)
= $686.00
Wow...
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