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[Meat's fan]

I might also translate this to Filipino (Tagalog) as well! If that's okay with you Ataru?

[SoldierAtaru]

Permission granted for both Italian and Tagalog...though I do worry about those Toriyama World chapters considering I have heard they're not quite as polished...

[Tubba]

Haven't read the chapter yet, I will soon, but anyway...

The Toriyama chapters are, to be quite honest, of nearly unacceptable quality, both in terms of grammar, edit and scan quality. Do we have better quality scans? In that case, if we could get permission from their translator, I might be able to polish up their translations (or rather, their grammar and terminology; I wouldn't go through the hassle of retranslating unless neccesary) and make a somewhat better edit... Yeah, I think even I could do that.

Making a complete retranslation seems like an unneccesary hassle and way too time consuming to be worth it.


By the way, I enjoyed these discussions as well. You're a great guy, Ataru. Thanks. I don't know what you mean by "I know I don't know as much as you", though.


All right, read it. Well, that was a nice end... Though I don't see why Phoenix is complaining about lacking the Burning inner strength... When the power he gets from the god is 30 million power stronger than that... Well, whatever. Cute ending. I do wonder what happened to Kinniku Ataru, though...

Also, the proper pronoun for a British person is Briton

Edited by Tubba, 25 March 2010 - 08:04 AM.

[Molanphy]

Thanks for doing the translation Ataru ^^

Edited by Molanphy, 25 March 2010 - 08:47 AM.

[SoldierAtaru]

By the way, I enjoyed these discussions as well. You're a great guy, Ataru. Thanks. I don't know what you mean by "I know I don't know as much as you", though.


All right, read it. Well, that was a nice end... Though I don't see why Phoenix is complaining about lacking the Burning inner strength... When the power he gets from the god is 30 million power stronger than that... Well, whatever. Cute ending. I do wonder what happened to Kinniku Ataru, though...

You always seem to know a lot more than I do on a lot of things or remember things I really seem to just let slip out of my mind. I seem to have a looser memory than you do and can probably do better analysis on many things.

BTW: aside free gyuudon, the closest that we got to a "conclusion" for Ataru post-Tournment is that he and The Ninja ran off on their own and started their own "problem-handling" group...the Muscle Fight ending that MuscleFightMovies showed a hint of it and Ninja does mention it in Nisei while Ataru runs the Burning Inner Strength training.

And I think the problem as to why the return of Burning Inner Strength is probably such a big deal...is that it's just such a massive power surge at once combined with Suguru's skill that it becomes way different from fighting Suguru with...well, just skill and 950,000 power.

Edited by SoldierAtaru, 25 March 2010 - 11:09 AM.

[Tubba]

Well, thanks. I have a good memory for details and am fairly good at cynical logic analysis, I suppose.


Yeah. It's funny though - The only one who really exercises his power aside from Suguru is Buffaloman. Prisman, The Omegaman and Mammothman all have these enormous power numbers but never seem to even mention them. And that's not even getting into the fated princes... Well, we do get one reference to it with Kendaman countering Buffaloman's ten million power tackle, I suppose, and it's also hinted at with the Megaton King Otoshi being "irreversible" (Neptune King is simply too powerful for it to be flipped around like the Izuna Drop or Kinniku Buster).

It's hilarious in particular when Buffaloman gets his horns back and go "HAHAHA, I HAVE MY TEN MILLION POWER NOW! YOU'RE NO MATCH FOR ME!" to Mammothman.

Maybe the bad guys are all really bad at fighting. But that doesn't explain why Yude suddenly had to go assigning all of these ludicrous power numbers to everyone...

But actually, the biggest boost for Kinnikuman in regard to the kajiba no kuso chikara appears to be the nearly infinite stamina he gains from it - This is also referenced at several occations with him failing to apply the Muscle Spark to Parthenon and needing Neptuneman's help to apply it to Satan Cross.

Though it's also a bit odd they chose to go this patch with sealing the power away, I recall Terryman saying something like "I feared when he would go up against an enemy with a power greater than the KnKC..." as he fights the Hell's Missionaries (though he eventually beats them, albeit with trickery rather than overpowering them). I guess it wasn't as much of a problem once he mastered the Muscle Spark.

... Actually, since he seems to GAIN power from defeating powerful opponents (with Neptune King being by magnitude the most powerful at that point), it would seem reasonable that he actually had LESS than King's 50 million power by the start of the tag tournament, and the power level of the KnKC is never referenced to until SFtT.

jesus christ why am i applying logic to kinnikuman, the manga where you fall faster by holding your armor ahead of yourself?



By the way, now that we're finally done, people, who were your favourite villain?

I'd have to say the obvious: Akuma Shogun. He's the only one who's cool enough to get an Ichirou Mizuki-sung themesong!

Edited by Tubba, 25 March 2010 - 11:28 AM.

[Molanphy]

I liked Satan Buffaloman, my favorite arc was the 7 devils. It really was a good fight

Liked akuma Shogun too, beacuse he was pure evil ^^ different from Buffaloman and Ashuraman

[Matto]

-Matto: Sometimes I like you, other times...well...let's say that you're memorable and I like you a lot. Personally whenever I see how horrible the girls of Kinnikuman and Nisei are treated, I think of you defending them to the bitter end...except Mari but she screws everything up.

Anime only, anime only... G1 anime excluded. Manga is fair game.

[SoldierAtaru]

Anime only, anime only... G1 anime excluded. Manga is fair game.

Well the women get treated horrible for the most part post-Seven Devils (I'm starting to convince myself that Alisha left and didn't return for the Throne cause little Kevin was kicking around...and that Mari and Natsuko got better deals for the anime) so I get your drift.

As for trying to sort out "power" in the Kinniku Universe, here are a few things I personally have in my head:

-All Choujin are born with a set "power" when they are born, usually unchanging unless they do something that affects them for the most part. (like Buffaloman making the deal with Satan that lead to him going up to 20 Million)

-The Kinniku Clan and all those of the Kinniku People (including Meat since he demonstrated a bit of it too) are different in that they have a "second power" separate from their first. This "power" is their "burning" power, which ends up growing as they face and defeat enemies way stronger than themselves. It is this "power" that for the most part probably allowed for the Kinniku Clan to become the royalty of the Choujin throughout the universe due to their much greater potential to face Kaijuu and evil Choujin.

-Usually the "power" used by a Kinniku Clan member is the Burning Inner Strength, which is an internal manifestation allowing for the power to distribute throughout the body equally without burnout. The only other style is the stated "primitive" Hellfire Inner Strength, which is an external manifestation of the increased power that actually gives them the property of fire on the outside, but burns out way faster.

-Power in itself really isn't the key to a Choujin's strength and ability, it more seems to be an assistance in matters of strength, defense and endurance. If a Choujin doesn't have the skills to best use this power, then it's just "power" and a way weaker Choujin can defeat them.

-In my head, I think that whatever techniques a Choujin has is just as key and just as important as their "Choujin Power". In my head, you probably can assign each one a strength factor of it's own, which is subsequently multiplied by whatever your Choujin Power is. Somehow the most basic attacks like a kick or a throw has minimal effect, while the Three Great Techniques such as the Muscle Spark is the highest in strength factor. Now multiply the highest strength factor in the Muscle Spark and 70,000,000 Power as granted by Burning Inner Strength...and yeah, game over if you can't escape or don't have the strength left.

I think I probably think too much on this in some ways and probably just think the generic power is just to assign threat, just like when Toriyama turned to it when Raditz arrived...and subsequently abandoned it once Frieza was no more.

BTW: Akuma Shogun is probably the best villain to me...though a cold, evil Warsman is good too.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Thank you very much for everything you've done for us, SoldierAtaru. I can tell that you've been working diligently on the Kinnikuman project, considering the large number of chapters you would translate over a short period of time. If it wasn't for you, I'm not sure we would have ever gotten the Kinnikuman series completely translated. You certainly deserve a big round of applause.

I thought I'd throw out some facts from the databook that I have, now that the series is finished. The two most powerful moves in the Kinnikuman series are the Muscle Spark and Muscle Docking. Both of these are ranked 100/100 in power. The Muscle Revenger is next I believe, with 90/100 in power.

As for who my favorite villain is, I'm probably also going to have to say Akuma Shogun. You gotta love the nine point seal of doom. What a cruel way to incapacitate and kill your opponent. Plus his design is awesome.

[Tubba]

I thought I'd throw out some facts from the databook that I have, now that the series is finished. The two most powerful moves in the Kinnikuman series are the Muscle Spark and Muscle Docking. Both of these are ranked 100/100 in power. The Muscle Revenger is next I believe, with 90/100 in power.

Are those all that are listed?

[Matto]

Well the women get treated horrible for the most part post-Seven Devils (I'm starting to convince myself that Alisha left and didn't return for the Throne cause little Kevin was kicking around...and that Mari and Natsuko got better deals for the anime) so I get your drift.

I can forgive the G1 anime slightly since Natsuko and Mari both have good voices, and Natsuko takes a level of awesome with fangirlism. I will never, ever back away from my stance on Mari. She is just too boring.

The manga gave Bibinba awesome scenes, her attempted "fight or I kill mehself future husband" scene was great.

[Neo Muscle]

I was wondering a few things about the Muscle Revenger and the Muscle Spark....if they are such "Awesome" moves of the Kinniku Clan then why are just the set ups for the moves depicted on the Sacred Wall Thingy? I mean the Muscle Revenger really doesn't need the headbutts to work does it? And the Muscle Spark causes no pain until Suguru flips it and uses the Ataru version...

[Tubba]

Well duh, that's why they're secret.


Also, the Muscle Spark does cause pain in the Suguru version - Remember, he beat Zebra with just the incomplete legs-only Spark.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Are those all that are listed?

There are many more, but I'll list them some time later on since I have to do a few things right now.

[Molanphy]

I was wondering a few things about the Muscle Revenger and the Muscle Spark....if they are such "Awesome" moves of the Kinniku Clan then why are just the set ups for the moves depicted on the Sacred Wall Thingy? I mean the Muscle Revenger really doesn't need the headbutts to work does it? And the Muscle Spark causes no pain until Suguru flips it and uses the Ataru version...

The Muscle Spark cause a lot of pain before, and after, the Ataru Muscle spark

[SoldierAtaru]

I can forgive the G1 anime slightly since Natsuko and Mari both have good voices, and Natsuko takes a level of awesome with fangirlism. I will never, ever back away from my stance on Mari. She is just too boring.

The manga gave Bibinba awesome scenes, her attempted "fight or I kill mehself future husband" scene was great.

You liked Bibimba's "fight or I'll die" moment? It was a tad too much fangirling. I liked many things Bibimba did in the Throne but that moment just was way too over the top and made more ridiculous when she finally did throw herself...and Ataru just had her smash her face instead of die.

[KnuxieChan]

-Knuxie Chan: If Tash got the manga ready for distribution...then you're the esteemed distributor that got it out to the world. Helping out Kinniku-fans one chapter at a time, that's your motto. And you're the one who sort of kept us all together even in our harder times. Thanks for doing so.

Wow, I can't believe you finally finished it! Congratulations. It's definitely been an interesting journey, being a part of Team Kinniku. Thank you for all the hard work you've done for us. I wouldn't say I kept us together completely.. XD; But I tried.

On the subject of distributors... Is KinnikuG still up for textsetting or should I attempt to take over?

[Tubba]

He seems to be doing it sporadically. But if he doesn't mind, there's nothing that really prevents you from doing it in tandem and getting done faster, right? You could start from the end, for instance.

[Matto]

You liked Bibimba's "fight or I'll die" moment? It was a tad too much fangirling.

I liked it because it was just so stupid and over the top. It was one of the So Bad It's Good moments. Like Phoenix kissing her.

[KinnikuG]

On the subject of distributors... Is KinnikuG still up for textsetting or should I attempt to take over?

If you don't mind it, I would agree with Tubba - if we split the remaining chapters we can get it done much faster. PM me later and we can work out the specifics.

Edited by KinnikuG, 26 March 2010 - 11:13 AM.

[shino619]

Congratulations SoldierAtaru, you've finished a long project, I hope you enjoyed it like we all that read it did. Thanks for your note

I wonder why Muscle Revenger and Muscle Spark have different power levels. ( 90 and 100) Nobody has been able to get up after they got one of those so there isn't really a way to say wich of those 2 is more powerful than the other. Maybe Suguru could get the same or better results if he use the Muscle Revenger, and so is for Super Phoenix and Muscle Spark.

Suguru just won because of two things.
1st: because yude wanted it. that derivated in reason 2
2nd: because the gods of NON-Intelligence, (flight, techiques, etc) speaked too much. they must be so god damn dumb that they revealed the location of the KKD of Suguru, ''thinking'' that nobody could help him. That was their mistake. THINK. they aren't intelligence they cannot come up with a bright plan, better shut up and wait for the match end.
for me, Suguru won the match when he and Neptuneman did the Rainbow Bridge Suplex and so. (that and the fact that they were one of the most great teams ever made, just look at the way they combine all their attacks, kind of Machineguns, but with Neptuneman and with a difference of 26 millions of power)
on a side and irrelevant note, the scene when the god of intelligence scans the power of suguru... reminded me the scene of DBZ of the 9000 power level

[SoldierAtaru]

I think the main reason Muscle Spark is the strongest is because (besides Yude saying so) it's the hardest to pull off and, thus, the most destructive. From how I've noticed it, the main purpose of the Muscle Spark seems to be utterly shutting down or slowing circulation through the holds and the stance to freeze them in their track, then destroy them with the final "Ataru-collapse" at the end. The Muscle Revenger is merely just grabbing them in midair and smashing their head into a pillar...and Muscle Inferno only really works because you're so shell-shocked being ridden upon that you don't realize the easy way of escaping. (that and people aren't zebras)

Oh and BTW: in honor of finishing Kinnikuman, I ended up trying gyuudon at a place downtown tonight for the first time (at an actual Japanese restaurant, not just some place that sells sushi)...and it turned out really good. Tasted like BBQ beef on rice with a bit of seasoning and some kimchi mixed in.

[Stecase King]

-Tash (Stecase King): You were the guy who probably was more of the crux of the project than I ever was. Sure I translated the manga, but you did a lot of the scanslations that came after my scripts, polishing them, giving them sheen, and making sure they had the right amount of spit and shine in the spit-shine. You also had a lot of other cool interests as well in some of the crazier hero stuff out there, not just the comedy arc but "Batman: The Brave and the Bold"...and reminded me to get back to "Iron Man: Armored Adventures"...which I really need to. I think you're more important than stupid old me and I thank you for getting these scripts more presentable.

Thank you very much. It's like I've told you many times, of all of the people to work with on this series, I'm glad it was someone I work so well with. Just between us, if it had been a translator who was very strict with his translation, I doubt I'd have been able to last as long as I did.

Everything we've accomplished so far is thanks to you.

Edited by Stecase King, 27 March 2010 - 12:16 AM.

[Tubba]

uguru just won because of two things.
1st: because yude wanted it. that derivated in reason 2
2nd: because the gods of NON-Intelligence, (flight, techiques, etc) speaked too much. they must be so god damn dumb that they revealed the location of the KKD of Suguru, ''thinking'' that nobody could help him. That was their mistake. THINK. they aren't intelligence they cannot come up with a bright plan, better shut up and wait for the match end.
for me, Suguru won the match when he and Neptuneman did the Rainbow Bridge Suplex and so. (that and the fact that they were one of the most great teams ever made, just look at the way they combine all their attacks, kind of Machineguns, but with Neptuneman and with a difference of 26 millions of power)
on a side and irrelevant note, the scene when the god of intelligence scans the power of suguru... reminded me the scene of DBZ of the 9000 power level

Not really, he won due to the 52 Submissions. If not for them, Phoenix would've just toyed around with him.