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[Tubba]

Friendship nanomachines

[KnuxieChan]

Yude nowadays make retcon more worse then Hideo Kojima.

They should seriously make a game together.

But there's a difference. Kojima is successful at trolling, Yude are not.

[Matto]

That is a very good point. Kojima's MGS4 retcons is more wide-spread trolling, Yude's trolling is just aimed at us.

But on the other hand, the former makes me want to hurt puppies. The latter just bores me to tears. My recent posts in the on-going manga thread is evidence to this.

So, once the text-setting and such is done... V-Jump? Art Books? ...Anything else?

[SoldierAtaru]

That is a very good point. Kojima's MGS4 retcons is more wide-spread trolling, Yude's trolling is just aimed at us.

But on the other hand, the former makes me want to hurt puppies. The latter just bores me to tears. My recent posts in the on-going manga thread is evidence to this.

So, once the text-setting and such is done... V-Jump? Art Books? ...Anything else?

There is the matter of V-Jump but the problem is it still sort of has the stigma of the prior attempt at the project. Last I spoke, Jake wanted to do that and the Ramenman series...but he's currently doing JoJo.

[kinnikumanbigbody]

chapter 2:dedicated to who gets tired of singers's fanboys
http://mangahelpers..../releases/21241

[kinnikumanbigbody]

i wonder why my translations aren't in the translations list.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Sorry for taking so long, everyone. I've been incredibly busy with studying this past week. Here are all of the power rankings for all of the moves in the Kinnikuman databook:

1) Kinniku Buster - 90/100

2) Kinniku Driver - 90/100

3) Muscle Docking - 95/100

4) Muscle Spark - 100/100

5) Spinning Toe Hold - 65/100

6) Texas Clover Hold - 70/100

7) Calf Branding - 75/100

8) Camel Clutch - 70/100

9) Leg Lariat - 80/100

10) Great Wall Drop - 90/100

11) Tower Bridge - 80/100

12) Robin Special - 85/100

13) Red Rain of Berlin - 60/100

14) Palo Special - 85/100

15) Hurricane Mixer - 85/100

16) Long Horn Train - 90/100

17) Apachi War Cry - 65/100

18) Ashura Buster - 85/100

19) Cursed Roller - 80/100

20) Hell's Guillotine - 95/100

21) Quarrel Special - 85/100

22) Cross Bomber - 90/100

23) Fake Muscle Revenger - 80/100

24) Muscle Inferno - 85/100

25) Napalm Stretch - 90/100

26) Ghost Canvas - 85/100

27) Triangle Dreamer - 90/100

28) Omega Catastrophe Drop - 90/100

29) Muscle Revenger - 90/100

Have fun discussing the numbers, everyone.

@StecaseKing - I know that this is a really late reply for you, but you were wondering how Sunshine was in the top 3 for size, right? Well, these stats go by height it seems.

Top 3 for size:
1) Sunshine - 300cm
2) Big The Budo - 290cm
3) Parthenon - 280cm

[shino619]

maybe it's just me... but... aahh why argue, whatever

[Matto]

Rinko beating the ever loving shizznit out of Mantaro: Something/2,000,000

She is just that awesome folks.

[Tubba]

These numbers don't even begin to make sense. How is the Kinniku Buster stronger than the Ashura Buster, for one?

Hell, I believe Terryman even mentions that it's a move far superior to the Kinniku Buster.

Edited by Tubba, 03 April 2010 - 12:36 AM.

[shino619]

hurricane mixer: a strong hit makes you fly and spin in the air, then you are buried in the canvas because of the rotation. ghost canvas: a powerful nose buries you in the canvas just by brute force, then a giant mammoth-like choujin rotates you, your head pops out and flies into the air because of the spin.
They aren't equally powerful, and that's just as a fancy example of what i'm thinking right now.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

These numbers don't even begin to make sense. How is the Kinniku Buster stronger than the Ashura Buster, for one?

Hell, I believe Terryman even mentions that it's a move far superior to the Kinniku Buster.

I'm going to have to disagree here. The Ashura Buster is superior to the Kinniku Buster in the sense that it is much more difficult to escape from.

[Tubba]

I'm going to have to disagree here. The Ashura Buster is superior to the Kinniku Buster in the sense that it is much more difficult to escape from.

It's the Kinniku Buster times three. There is no logical way adding more arms would make it less powerful, only more.


http://www.onemanga....nikuman/178/09/

Terryman proves my point.



By the way, it's funny to look at how the character designs change. In particular, if you look at the earliest images of Terryman, he's more of a caricature than anything else, what with his eyes going like this: / \ but by the end of the series he looks far more normal.

Edited by Tubba, 03 April 2010 - 08:41 AM.

[shino619]

usually all that lists trying to give an order of power between moves/characters/heroes/whatever end up failing.

[Tubba]

Yeah, seriously.

Oh, and doesn't Kinnikuman survive like... Two Jigoku no Dantoudai (I don't want to spell that stupid French doctor's name)?

Edited by Tubba, 04 April 2010 - 01:54 AM.

[Meat's fan]

Somehow I;m not surprised by the results. I've tried to analyze the moves used (i'm such a geek lol XD) and the power seemed to match the moves made.

[Tubba]

The move that keeps annoying me is the Kinniku Buster. According to PHYSICS, you would exert the same amount of force in the same way upon yourself as upon your opponent.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

It's the Kinniku Buster times three. There is no logical way adding more arms would make it less powerful, only more.


http://www.onemanga....nikuman/178/09/

Terryman proves my point.

Not really. You're forgetting to take into account Kinnikuman's burning inner strength. That power up most likely makes the Kinniku Buster more powerful than the Ashura Buster.

Out of curiosity, what other problems do you have with the numbers? Because honestly, they seem quite accurate to me.

[shino619]

Not really. You're forgetting to take into account Kinnikuman's burning inner strength. That power up most likely makes the Kinniku Buster more powerful than the Ashura Buster.

Out of curiosity, what other problems do you have with the numbers? Because honestly, they seem quite accurate to me.

you're just saying that kinnikuman is stronger that ashuraman. you aren't rating the move itself that way. if ashuraman also had burning inner strenght of 70 million power like suguru, what would hit harder? kinniku buster or ashura buster?
Answer:

Spoiler

yeah, terry is right! it's [color=#000000;background:#000000]ashura buster

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[SoldierAtaru]

I'm not really too sure: somehow this feels more once again like a situation of "power" vs. "technique". Just because you're more powerful doesn't make your techniques more effective.

The only way I can sort of see this working is essentially the difference in both the sallying and effectiveness of the Kinniku and Ashura Buster. The Kinniku Buster "could" be more powerful (whether or not Burning Inner Strength counts cause the technique is also done by the likes of Terry and Buffaloman, let alone we get a lot of Kinniku-biases in this series anyway) but not seem as effective due to it's potential for failure or countering (6-to-9, slipping out, merely making a mistake in execution). Meanwhile, the Ashura Buster may not seem as "powerful" an impact, but is more effective due to there being less of a chance of escape or of the technique failing. But that's probably the only way I can see why they rank the Kinniku Buster higher...but the Ashura Buster more successful.

[Tubba]

Yeah but regardless of what we see, it's preposterous that you would be hit harder by the Kinniku Buster.


Looking back, I'm not entirely happy with how they handled the final battles, especially with crippling Terryman and killing Ashuraman. This is how I would've preferred to see it play out:

1. Kinnikuman fights and defeats Satan Cross but is injured
2. Ramenman fights and double-KO:s with Prisman
3. Terryman fights and defeats Mammothman
4. Terryman is defeated by The Omegaman, but manages to land some manner of crippling blow
5. Robin Mask defeats The Omegaman
6. Robin Mask fights and actually defeats Super Phoenix (Given that Robin Mask is by far the most competent Idol Chojin, this would have been pretty reasonable), however, at the last moment the gods intervene, reviving Phoenix and defeating Robin Mask
7. Phoenix demands to fight the (now healed) Kinnikuman and the final battle ensues.

Alternatively, we could've gotten Ashuraman vs. The Omegaman. That would have been cool.

Edited by Tubba, 05 April 2010 - 04:16 AM.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

you're just saying that kinnikuman is stronger that ashuraman. you aren't rating the move itself that way. if ashuraman also had burning inner strenght of 70 million power like suguru, what would hit harder? kinniku buster or ashura buster?
Answer:

Spoiler

yeah, terry is right! it's [color=#000000;background:#000000]ashura buster

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Ashuraman doesn't have Burning Inner Strength, now does he? So your argument doesn't hold much weight.

I'm not really too sure: somehow this feels more once again like a situation of "power" vs. "technique". Just because you're more powerful doesn't make your techniques more effective.

The only way I can sort of see this working is essentially the difference in both the sallying and effectiveness of the Kinniku and Ashura Buster. The Kinniku Buster "could" be more powerful (whether or not Burning Inner Strength counts cause the technique is also done by the likes of Terry and Buffaloman, let alone we get a lot of Kinniku-biases in this series anyway) but not seem as effective due to it's potential for failure or countering (6-to-9, slipping out, merely making a mistake in execution). Meanwhile, the Ashura Buster may not seem as "powerful" an impact, but is more effective due to there being less of a chance of escape or of the technique failing. But that's probably the only way I can see why they rank the Kinniku Buster higher...but the Ashura Buster more successful.

This is exactly how I see it. Besides, has anyone actually ever gotten up from a Kinniku Buster (I'm not talking about its variations, only the original)? It's really devastating upon impact, and because of that, its victims usually aren't able to fight anymore after receiving one.

[Tubba]

Well Kinnikuman survived Buffaloman's Kinniku Buster I think. But he's Kinnikuman.

[kinnikumanbigbody]

napalm strencth should be one of the sacred techniques of the kinniku clan.

[Tubba]

Yeah, instead of Muscle Surfboard.