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#1 MUSCLE-Head

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Posted 04 July 2003 - 09:43 AM

Hi people, I was going through some muscles to sell to a friend when I come across a wierd one. I dont see him on the poster. Is he a bootleg. He is same as the others ones. Color hardness and so on. He even has the mark on the back like the other ones I have.
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Posted 04 July 2003 - 09:46 AM

sorry I forgot the picture :lol:

he is in the middle on the right side

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Posted 04 July 2003 - 02:10 PM

You may have found another Super Rare! :lol:

Hell yeah! I knew there were more! :D

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Posted 04 July 2003 - 02:22 PM

Holy Sciznap!
Can you take a close up pic?
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Posted 04 July 2003 - 02:30 PM

Looks authentic to me. Holy shiznit that's awesome! A close up would definitely be cool. That way we can see the details of the figure.

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Posted 04 July 2003 - 03:15 PM

Another non-kinnikuman sculpt MUSCLE?
The Terri-Bull (Buffalo-Man) from the ring wasn't made as a Kinnikuman either.

Hmmmmmm.......
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Posted 04 July 2003 - 03:34 PM

Another non-kinnikuman sculpt MUSCLE?
The Terri-Bull (Buffalo-Man) from the ring wasn't made as a Kinnikuman either.

Hmmmmmm.......

I was looking for the Kinnikuman sculpt to this figure too, but could not find it. You bring up an interesting point Johnny. Why would this sculpt be made? :lol:

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Posted 04 July 2003 - 03:49 PM

Check if you recognise the body from another sculpt, it could help. Maybe someone cut off the head and ploped it on, and did a good job at it. Just a thought. Also you couldve overlooked it, it happens alot for me.
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Posted 04 July 2003 - 04:44 PM

$50 says that several pretty offers have already been made secretly from members of this very board...
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Posted 04 July 2003 - 04:46 PM

GUY's that's it
a short time ago i posted a new topic under "rare g1 muscle"
as you can see the figure is like the others i described with it's head on and both hands attached
i'm sure thats it!!

does anyone know it's name?




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Posted 04 July 2003 - 05:19 PM

Do you guys think he is real rare? I am sure some other person must have one.

pasvagrsvj - you would be 50 bucks richer. I had two guys ask me to sell but no one gave me any doller amount.

misha - did you used to have this one. I didnt know I had this guy until I was going to sell my friend some guys the other day. I read your other topic just now about the missing link guy. can I name him? I call him 'evolution' now, since you said he was a missing link guy. Im sure someone else has him. If hes really rare for sure, I will sell or trade him. I need money and muscles :stupid:

maxpowerz - his head is not plopped on or anything. it is part of the guy. i just rechecked it out.

maybe i will have a friend list him on ebay for me cause i dont have a credit card to sell him. If he is really rare and not just a common guy like satan cross.

I dont know guys.
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Posted 04 July 2003 - 05:26 PM

maxpowerz - his head is not plopped on or anything. it is part of the guy. i just rechecked it out.

Cool beans!

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Posted 04 July 2003 - 07:35 PM

An open bidding on this board would probably net the most, with all honesty.
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Posted 04 July 2003 - 08:50 PM

An open bidding on this board would probably net the most, with all honesty.

:stupid: Yeah, then you wouldn't have to pay eBay fees!
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Posted 04 July 2003 - 09:40 PM

Check if you recognise the body from another sculpt, it could help. Maybe someone cut off the head and ploped it on, and did a good job at it.

I think this is a strong possibility. It sort of looks like somebody took the ball from #230 and put it on the head spike of #186. I'm not sure about the left arm since #186 does not have a left hand. But the left arm looks identical to the right, so maybe somebody just cut off the left arm and replaced it with a right arm from another 186. Is the fist on the left arm have a right hand or a left?

This would be completely cleared up with a huge, detailed scan. Is there any way to get a better scan?

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Edited by Tortle, 04 July 2003 - 09:42 PM.

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Posted 04 July 2003 - 10:56 PM

I'm not sure about the left arm since #186 does not have a left hand. But the left arm looks identical to the right, so maybe somebody just cut off the left arm and replaced it with a right arm from another 186. Is the fist on the left arm have a right hand or a left?

They couldn't just replace the left hand because the left arm on #186 sticks out more than the right arm.
but on this guy his whole left arm is bent to the inside like the right side and they look to be correct arms for each side.
where would the correct arm come from? if it did not belong.




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Posted 05 July 2003 - 04:00 AM

It would be possible to put a NEW hand on his left arm, but its still in a different possition. DOnt know what to say about that.
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Posted 05 July 2003 - 08:05 AM

I'd like to see a closer picture.
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Posted 05 July 2003 - 10:13 AM

They couldn't just replace the left hand because the left arm on #186 sticks out more than the right arm.
but on this guy his whole left arm is bent to the inside like the right side and they look to be  correct arms for each side.
where would the correct arm come from? if it did not belong.

You're absolutely right. I was saying that if somebody chopped off the right arm of a 186, then replaced the left arm of another 186 with that right arm, all they would have to do is replace the hand and it would look like the figure shown in the scan. It's somewhat difficult to explain... I hope that makes sense...

Anyway, my point is that this figure would be easy to kit-bash together. All you need is 3 or 4 MUSCLEs and some good glue. I'm not saying anyone is necessarily lying, of course. Sometimes custom MUSCLEs can easily be misinterpreted as a never-before-found sculpt.

If we could see a nice, big scan of the figure in question, that would probably clear everything up.

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Edited by Tortle, 05 July 2003 - 10:15 AM.

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Posted 05 July 2003 - 04:51 PM

misha - did you used to have this one. I didnt know I had this guy until I was going to sell my friend some guys the other day. I read your other topic just now about the missing link guy. can I name him? I call him 'evolution' now, since you said he was a missing link guy.

No i never had him , but it's the second time i've seen him.

please dont take any under the table offers for him yet untill we can clarify
if his a RARE or not. If it turns out he's the real deal then you would get alot of offers for him from these board alone.








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Posted 05 July 2003 - 04:58 PM

A suggestion MUSCLE-head

would you consider parting with the figure for a short time and maybe letting
one of our more expert muscle members take a look at him?

i'm sure Tortle , doc_moore_j or the site owner Jkaris would immediately spot any
foul play , or give us the thumbs up on a new rare.



it would save us alot of sleep.




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Posted 05 July 2003 - 05:57 PM

Well. I dont have a scanner, so i cant do that and every close picture i take is real blurry. I guess that is what these free earthlink camera get you. I dont want to loan him out. No insult but i dont know any of you really. Ill try to get a better picture for you all. By the way someone sent me a message and offered me 200 bucks for it. How can a muscleman be worth that much?
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Posted 05 July 2003 - 08:26 PM

I have to say im pretty skeptical, looks to me like that left arm came from #171. I cant tell from the picture whose head it is, but that could have come from a few different figs, #148, #146 if its flat (all i can tell is that its round, i dont know about spherical, but the shadow suggests spherical, so its probably not #146), even #005, and the body could really only be from #186.

Johnny, can you tell us what kinnikuman series this figure is from? So far all of the super rares have counterparts in the kinnikuman line, look familiar? If it doesn't then i would say it is definately a fake. ;)

Aslo the proportions just dont look right with the head, it looks the sort of "detached", theres no smooth transition from the shoulders to the head. Look at figure #040 or #148, their heads look more "attached".

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P.S. I hope whoever tried to buy it out from everyone for $200 actually gets it, it would be funny for them to find out for sure if its a fake. e+

Edited by Beligerant1, 05 July 2003 - 08:28 PM.

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Posted 05 July 2003 - 08:36 PM

Another non-kinnikuman sculpt MUSCLE?
The Terri-Bull (Buffalo-Man) from the ring wasn't made as a Kinnikuman either.

It doesn't have a Kinnikuman counterpart Bel.
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Posted 05 July 2003 - 09:47 PM

it would appear to me that why would someone take so much time to make a fake muscle i mean that would take them a while to make a really good phony one...unless theyre like me and have no life so maybe i made it... ^_^
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