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#1 Sixthwizard

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:17 AM

Just want your opinions on this crap.  My mind is made up.....

Here is a message from a SeniorHighSchool English teacher to my daughter after they talked about what Carol (daughter) wanted to Major in, in college......VERBATIM-

 

"You are 18 years old, of course you don't know what you want to do with your life.  Let me just tell you something,don't go to college right after highschool just because your parents want you to, it's the dumbest thing ever.  Why would you waste so much money if you don't even know what you want to do.  You will wake upone day when you're 40 and regret everything because you wasted 4 years of your life on something you didn't even like, because you were told to do so. Think of what makes you happy and do it.  Otherwise you will be miserable for the rest of your life.  Find yourself first, then you will find happiness."

 

 

 

WT muther F?  A teacher telling students not to go to college and learn?  Liberal thinking in a school, should not be allowed.  Schools have a job to do.  Not fill eager minds brains with effin crap like this.  Its a teachers responsibility to TEACH kids.  GUIDE kids.  Make them WANT to learn.........EFF man......I'm pissed.

Really?  Teachers telling kids NOT to learn??? WTF!  

 

How does a human learn something without experiences?  Does this person really think they can float around on a "high on life" cloud, and life's meaning just comes to them?  Yeah, Let's all wait around for shit to happen- Why strive and work for it?  OBVIOUSLY they went to college to be an effin teacher, right????   

 

DONE WITH THIS TEACHER!!!

 

 

 

 


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:20 AM

OH- Completely forgot to mention-

 

My daughter learned English her first schoolyear here, and has had a 3.8-4.0 gradepoint average since day 1.  Shes on the National Honor Society her whole highschool length.  Her college would almost be free.  NHS members often get about a 90% scholarship for academics- AND shes a foreign immigrant to this country.

 

WTF is this teacher talking about???????????/


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:24 AM

The teacher hasn't told anyone not to go to college, they said don't go to college just because your parents want you to.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:24 AM

This is tough; the message the counselor is trying to send isn't necessarily "wrong" or "bad", but considering his/her role as a career guide for a confused teenager it's not being offered in the right context. I mean even the verbiage used sounds unprofessional, which I'm sure is just their attempt to be "cool and hip like the kids these days", but still. 

 

I don't get the impression that they were trying to tell your daughter not to go to college at all, just that she should do it for her own reasons, and that figuring out what you want to do first before declaring a major is a good idea. 

 

Solid message; sophomoric delivery.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:29 AM

I think that part of the problem with a lot of the kids these days, is the fact that they aren't being taught to challenge ideas. Be that as it were, I think you'd agree that having somebody dedicate their life to a profession out of blind obedience is not the path that you'd choose for your daughter. I wouldn't worry too much about this, as I'm with Danny and Bach, he never told her to not go to school, he's just probably running out of ways to reach the hundreds of kids under his umbrella, and worded shit poorly. 



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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:47 AM

I'm a big fan of having someone go to school for something that creates value aka an employable field. If they want to pursue the arts or music or whatever liberal 1:10000000 chance of making a living field they can, afterwards. At least if they fail they have a viable career. College isn't for everyone but additional schooling is, so at least get them into a technical school (not university of phoenix) like HVAC or something that everyone needs.

 

No one I know regrets going to college. The ones that regret their career are usually the ones that have the stress of unemployment or unable to make ends meet.  

 

If you make a career out of something you love to do, eventually you will resent it and lose your favorite thing.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 11:22 AM

My girlfriend was pushed towards law by her parents, so she got a law degree, but that was never really what she wanted to do, and I couldn't imagine her working in the field (her younger sister, who is her polar opposite, also did law, and now works as a lawyer). To this day she wishes she'd stood her ground and chosen something for herself and not what her mum and dad wanted her to do.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 11:22 AM

 

My daughter learned English her first schoolyear here, and has had a 3.8-4.0 gradepoint average since day 1.  Shes on the National Honor Society her whole highschool length.  Her college would almost be free.  NHS members often get about a 90% scholarship for academics- AND shes a foreign immigrant to this country.

This is the part where the teacher's message might be irresponsible if you daughter doesn't have solid plans for a career out of highschool that doesn't require higher education. I don't think you qualify for scholarships if you take a break after high school before committing to college. I could be wrong. That's a lot of money to throw away if your daughter ever wants to go to college.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 11:47 AM

The teacher hasn't told anyone not to go to college, they said don't go to college just because your parents want you to.

uhhh- yes he did, man.  

 

"don't go to college right after highschool just because your parents want you to, it's the dumbest thing ever"  

 

Says so right there.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 11:52 AM

Sounds like a down to earth teacher with great advice to me...my wife was pushed into college, changed her mind (like every18-22 year old) and now 10 years later we still owe 50,000!!

 

also..the way it was worded seems like she was just trying to say it more like someone who cares as opposed to a teacher speaking to them like a child

 

My wife is now a teacher and you are reacting like a bunch of parents would, but try and think of it in different ways and not just what you think is right...man i have seen some crazy parents lol

 

maybe get this teacher, daughter and you together and express all of your ideas and come up with something that works best for your daughter. You want whats best for her, but kids will do the exact opposite if you forcethem to do something...trust me....I was one of them!! 


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 11:54 AM

My girlfriend was pushed towards law by her parents, so she got a law degree, but that was never really what she wanted to do, and I couldn't imagine her working in the field (her younger sister, who is her polar opposite, also did law, and now works as a lawyer). To this day she wishes she'd stood her ground and chosen something for herself and not what her mum and dad wanted her to do.

That doesn't make a bit of difference in my opinion.  My dad Majored in History in college.  He became a VP of GST shipping corporation.  And he is completely happy with having a degree in History.  After retiring- he was bored and decided to open his own shipping company. 



Sounds like a down to earth teacher with great advice to me...my wife was pushed into college, changed her mind (like every18-22 year old) and now 10 years later we still owe 50,000!!

Yeah, maybe someone should have guided her better than letting her just rack up debt.  

 

Like I said- My daughters college is 90% scholarship taken care of already.....SO why would a teacher say that shit? 


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:01 PM

uhhh- yes he did, man.  
 
"don't go to college right after highschool just because your parents want you to, it's the dumbest thing ever"  

 
Says so right there.

 
I've italicised the portion that alters the meaning of the first bit.
 
Here's a slightly different sentence that makes the usage clearer.

"Don't go to college just because your parents want you to; go to college because you want to"
 

That doesn't make a bit of difference in my opinion.  My dad Majored in History in college.  He became a VP of GST shipping corporation.  And he is completely happy with having a degree in History.  After retiring- he was bored and decided to open his own shipping company.

That's great for him. Everyone is different.

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:03 PM

wheeeewwww.......(sigh)

 

Apologies if I sounded hot with anyone.  I am hot.  But not meant to be directed towards you guys.  

 

"Drink some tea, man."

I do need some tea, dude!  Good call.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:05 PM

That doesn't make a bit of difference in my opinion.  My dad Majored in History in college.  He became a VP of GST shipping corporation.  And he is completely happy with having a degree in History.  After retiring- he was bored and decided to open his own shipping company. 



Yeah, maybe someone should have guided her better than letting her just rack up debt.  

 

Like I said- My daughters college is 90% scholarship taken care of already.....SO why would a teacher say that shit? 

That is exactly the point I am making dude..she didnt have the guidance...the kind this teacher is providing. If she did she may have had a better plan and wouldnt have racked up the bills! 



That is exactly the point I am making dude..she didnt have the guidance...the kind this teacher is providing. If she did she may have had a better plan and wouldnt have racked up the bills! 

also...my wife had major scholarships..80-90%, but when you change your major or rethink what youre doing so often, those scholarships are gone!


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:07 PM

You are correct, Stront.  

Funny how, when ya get pissed, you don't mind overlooking shit.  haha......  You are correct.  

Very good, sir!



"That is exactly the point I am making dude..she didnt have the guidance...the kind this teacher is providing. If she did she may have had a better plan and wouldnt have racked up the bills!"

 

I rather think it's an opinionated attempt at advice, but yeah.......  


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:08 PM

Well I hope it all works out for you guys!


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:09 PM

This is tough; the message the counselor is trying to send isn't necessarily "wrong" or "bad", but considering his/her role as a career guide for a confused teenager it's not being offered in the right context. I mean even the verbiage used sounds unprofessional, which I'm sure is just their attempt to be "cool and hip like the kids these days", but still. 

 

I don't get the impression that they were trying to tell your daughter not to go to college at all, just that she should do it for her own reasons, and that figuring out what you want to do first before declaring a major is a good idea. 

 

Solid message; sophomoric delivery.

The hired early 20s people to be teachers this day and age. Have you guys heard about those news stories of young teachers having threesomes, orgies, etc with students? The hiring standards of qualified teachers has dropped as they continue to replace older teachers with younger ones. Which themselves are not much older than the students they teach. So unprofessionalism is becoming more noticeable than ever before.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:12 PM

I WISH I had done things differently with my past, knowing what I know now.  I don't regret anything, but I would do things differently.  I don't want my kids to have regrets.  Nobody says this: " I wish I never went to college"-  Rather they say this: "I wish I learned something different" when ya think about it.



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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:15 PM

I mean, you can't control people presenting your kids with challenging ideas. What you have is a golden opportunity to hold court with your daughter, and examine those ideas, and challenge them back. Life is full of people trying to influence you to do things by their standards or ideals! Use this as a teachable moment, to help your daughter engage in her own critical thinking. Also: "How to respect authority, but not blindly follow authority".


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:28 PM

Nicely put.  Thanks man.  


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:30 PM

No one I know regrets going to college. The ones that regret their career are usually the ones that have the stress of unemployment or unable to make ends meet.  If you make a career out of something you love to do, eventually you will resent it and lose your favorite thing.

I've... actually never heard anyone make this argument before. I've known plenty of people who came to regret their chosen career path too late in life after realizing they spend most of their time doing something they either hate or care nothing about simply because it pays the bills. I happen to be in the "money isn't everything" camp and believe it's a healthier choice to choose a career doing what makes you happy rather than simply what is "employable". Though, I will agree that this would be sound advice for someone who really doesn't seem to have a passion for anything. The problem is that most teenagers just haven't lived long enough to know what they want to do, and many grow out of the thing they were so sure they wanted to do their entire life. I mean hell, if you'd asked me in 1998 I'd have told you that being a roadie for the Misfits would be a sweet career path.

 

It's also not really fair to write off all liberal arts majors as unemployable (just most of them, haha kidding...) My girlfriend got her BFA and landed a graphic design position at an ad agency after college. It's possible. ;)

 

This is the part where the teacher's message might be irresponsible if you daughter doesn't have solid plans for a career out of highschool that doesn't require higher education. I don't think you qualify for scholarships if you take a break after high school before committing to college.

Exactly... I qualified for a near full-ride but took a semester off to "work and clear my head before more school" and lost eligibility. The majority of scholarships (in my field, anyway) were geared towards incoming freshmen and required continuous re-application each semester. Lack of guidance here really cost me.

 

Sounds like a down to earth teacher with great advice to me...my wife was pushed into college, changed her mind (like every18-22 year old) and now 10 years later we still owe 50,000!!

 

I think this is exactly what the counselor was trying to get at; "try to figure yourself out first; if you don't you're going to be wasting both time and money. Don't make major life decisions simply because it's what you've been told to do."

 

That doesn't make a bit of difference in my opinion.  My dad Majored in History in college.  He became a VP of GST shipping corporation.  And he is completely happy with having a degree in History.  After retiring- he was bored and decided to open his own shipping company.  

After working for a state university for years, my honest assessment of US higher ed (for most schools anyway) is that it's more of a "proving ground" than actual job preparation for your chosen field of study. Very little of what I actually learned while in undergraduate and graduate school is actually applicable to my day-to-day at work. 

 

Graduating college simply shows that you can reach the benchmarks of intelligence and dedication necessary to be a trainable, dependable employee in a professional field. I've been on a number of hiring committees and can confirm that relevant experience and personality was far more important than academic credentials. Having a degree basically only serves as a mechanism to get your application past the first threshold in the hiring process. 

 

Obviously mileage will vary the more technical the position becomes, but in general I think this is how things usually work. 


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:34 PM

"Graduating college simply shows that you can reach the benchmarks of intelligence and dedication necessary to be a trainable, dependable employee in a professional field."

 

Yes indeed, Bachamn.  Exaclty.

 

 

You guys just saved a teacher today! Great work.  hahah...but seriously- I do feel more at ease with all this- after hearing everyone's thoughts on the matter.  Thank you.  My wife and I just started arguing about the crap.....you guys are just saying how shit is rather than arguing.  Appreciate it.


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:49 PM

"Graduating college simply shows that you can reach the benchmarks of intelligence and dedication necessary to be a trainable, dependable employee in a professional field."

 

Yes indeed, Bachamn.  Exaclty.

 

 

You guys just saved a teacher today! Great work.  hahah...but seriously- I do feel more at ease with all this- after hearing everyone's thoughts on the matter.  Thank you.  My wife and I just started arguing about the crap.....you guys are just saying how shit is rather than arguing.  Appreciate it.

Just try opening a thread for you and your wife..arguing is easier on the ears and brain when it's through text!!  Just playin'


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:58 PM

hahahaha....


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 01:09 PM

The teacher hasn't told anyone not to go to college, they said don't go to college just because your parents want you to.

Exactly. I think the only problem is the way he addressed it. He should have simply asked what does your daughter want, has she thought this through or is she going beecause of her parents.

I find it unprofessional cause of the way it was said. I do not know the backrounds on this but you should talk to your daughter to make sure what she finds interesting and then talk to the teacher.

About her age too... age 18 even it was hard for me to say what to do with my life, even harder when deciding me secondary class school at age 16(didnt graduate seriously wasnt for me)
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