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[arforbes]

I think the only way to really tell if the super-rares are choking hazards is for somebody to try to swallow SHA's head or BHS's chest. Alex, since you have both, I think you're elected! If you survive, then they obviously aren't choking risks!

I could do that yes, but then I 'd have to look through my poop to get the parts back in like a day or two, and that would just be gross.

Damn, I think I may have started another poop discussion.

[Adamantiumwulf]

All of my 4 packs have the same copyright date of 1985.

There may not have been a huge delay between them releasing the flesh packs, flesh/colored and colored packs. They could have just been waiting on a large enough quantity of them to be produced to fill orders or there estimates.

[phillymadison]

If the 4-packs with offer came out first, then the poster offer would be available, then unavailable, then available again (multi-colored packs)... all with the same deadline.  It's possible, but very strange.

well that makes sence seeing that there are diffrent posters flesh, and colored (and multi-colored???)

The flesh figures first came out they made posters for them
they ran out of flesh posters but still had Flesh figures so they took off the offer

next the colored ones came out new figures new poster
they ran out of posters but still had colored muscles so they took the offer off again

this makes alot of sence to me at least

as for Alex swallowing his Super rare parts i bet ya they will stay intack (a little smelly but in tack)

MUSCLE plastic is indestructable I think they use it on spaceships and stuff lol j/k

Edited by phillymadison, 16 July 2003 - 02:42 PM.

[Tortle]

The flesh figures first came out they made posters for them
they ran out of flesh posters but still had Flesh figures so they took off the offer

next the colored ones came out new figures new poster
they ran out of posters but still had colored muscles so they took the offer off again

this makes alot of sence to me at least

Yeah, actually that does make sense. And it does make more sense that the poster offers were printed on the first run since I think that Satan Cross was probably cancelled relatively early in the line (and his pack had the poster offer).

But, I would wonder why Mattel wouldn't have different expiration dates for the different posters. If they were making more posters, I would think that they would extend the offer, especially if it was popular enough to warrant a new poster run.

Does anybody have a 28-pack without the poster offer? Just curious, because I'm not sure if I've ever seen one...

-Nathan

[doc_moore_j]

Ok guys, this is what I came up with:

16 color ten packs, all dated 85' and all English, dist Hawthorne Cali
4 mixed ten packs, all dated 85' and all English.
2 flesh ten packs, all dated 85' and all English.

9 colored four packs, no poster offer, all dated 85' and all English, dist Hawthorne Cali
2 mixed four packs, with poster, all dated 85' and all English, dist Hawthorne Cali
2 flesh four packs, with poster, all dated 85' and all English, dist Hawthorne Cali
1 SC flesh four pack, with poster, dated 85' and English, dist Hawthorne Cali

[arforbes]

Does anybody have a 28-pack without the poster offer? Just curious, because I'm not sure if I've ever seen one...

-Nathan

When I was buying these on ebay during my quest for my collection, I remember seeing the 28-Packs without the poster offer. I am almost 100% sure there were no poster offers on the all colored 28-Packs.

[phillymadison]

I only have one 28 pack and its an all flesh 28 pack and it has the poster offer on it

it also shows a pic of what the poster should look like but its not what the poster looks like

It shows a white poster with ring ropes (I think) as a boarder around the figures pretty wierd

[arforbes]

I only have one 28 pack and its an all flesh 28 pack and it has the poster offer on it

it also shows a pic of what the poster should look like but its not what the poster looks like

It shows a white poster with ring ropes (I think) as a boarder around the figures pretty wierd

I have seen that poster too, but only as the pic offered for the poster description. I wonder if that prototype version actually exists.

[M.u.s.c.l.e. God]

My Black Hole Sunshine was from the North East PA area. They seem to have been from North East USA or Canada...

[arforbes]

My Black Hole Sunshine was from the North East PA area. They seem to have been from North East USA or Canada...

I wish I could remember the location of the seller who sold me my Blackhole Sunshine figure. It may have been in relatively the same area, but I can't remember the seller who sold me the figure or the state the package was shipped from.

[MUSCLETOYS]

Does anybody have a 28-pack without the poster offer? Just curious, because I'm not sure if I've ever seen one... -Nathan

I have a mighty maulers set (#3) that doesn't have the offer on it.

[THEGODBEAST]

Veers I think you are on to something!!!

Here is my NEW theory!!!

BB and LB.

Once the BB line was ending they released the #77-#88 LB in the USA as a last ditch effort (not as many LB were produced as the BB).  This we call "tail enders."

Ok, so in Japan it was still fairly strong, so they realease #89-#112 LB in Japan only!

With one HUGE exception. 

This is a FACT!  Takara decided to take #89-#100 and card them with guns, shields, and small sleds and dump them in Europe (Primarily from what we know ONLY FRANCE).  These are literally Holy Grail MOC!!! 

They also had a small either test market of USA carded ones or simply some salesman samples MOC that ended up in the USA!  They were NOT in French.

So, my correlation is this.  There is also a good chance since much of Canada is French too, there could have been some French carded ones or even the English carded ones in Canada.

My point is this:

Bandai has done a lot of toys in Canada.  Canada has a big Asian community Toronto for sure!  SO do we know where all the Super Rares have originated?  Auction wise or other?  Phil said his auction was out of Boston (not too far from Canada).  This last auction for the SHA w/o head isn't it from Maryland?  (once again not far from Canada). 

So could the SUPER RARES been Canadian rather than South American? 

I really think that this could be a direction to follow.

None the less, lets all keep our eyes peeled on Canadian auctions.

Heck even the MIMP Shreddies exclusives were Canadian only!  ALso the BB bootlegs originated in Canada too!!!

Just an educated guess.

Good work Veers!

THEGODBEAST

I really think that collectors are over thinking this one.

I am sticking with my original theory that I posted early on in this topic.

THEGODBEAST

Edited by THEGODBEAST, 10 March 2004 - 01:06 PM.

[Tortle]

But didn’t philly’s SC 4-pack wreck this theory? So do we have any idea?

Sort of. I think my statement was, "If Satan Cross was offered without the 4-pack, then it's reasonable to assume he was cancelled early in the line because the sans-poster 4-packs were the first ones released." But Philly's Satan Cross 4-pack has the poster offer on it, so that negates my assumption about SC's availability.

That 4-pack chronology could still exist, and I think it makes logical sense to group the different poster offers together since the expiration date is the same (I think). But if it does, then that means that Satan Cross was released in the middle of the line and discontinued before the start of the colored line for some inexplicable reason.

-Nathan

[Mr.Monster]

But if it does, then that means that Satan Cross was released in the middle of the line and discontinued before the start of the colored line for some inexplicable reason.

This has always been my theory on SC. Also, I got my first 28 pack in January of 1986 (11th birthday, in the fifth grade, no doubt on this) and I ordered the poster from this pack. I first saw the commercials aired in January, and at least in central Ohio, they weren't available at Christmas, or I would've gotten them then as I made frequent trips to the toy stores....

Edited by Goriki, 10 March 2004 - 02:53 PM.

[jkaris]

With all the SC figures out there now a days, I'm beginning to think he was common in the 4 pack, from start to finish in the flesh line. Just not on the poster. I also think that the poster offer was on US packs, but the Canadian 4 packs didn't have it. That is the only thing I can come up with.

I do agree that teh Super Rares were probably test market ones.

[arforbes]

I agree with Johnny here. I think the Satancross was so common, if not as common as some of the rarer flesh figures like #189 and #195. I think Satancross was made as part of the M.U.S.C.L.E. line, as we have seen him in the 4-Packs. I am curious as to why he was discontinued though. He never had his back piece included in the 4-Packs, nor anywhere else that we know of. As a matter of fact, he was only available in the 4-Packs as far as we know. There is not even a spur on M.U.S.C.L.E. Satancross figures that suggests that he was made with a second piece. So why discontinued? Why do we not see him in any colors??? We may never know.

[arforbes]

I was also thinking...

Could it be possible that the Satancross 4-Pack was Canadian? If this is true then the other Super Rares molds probably came in 4-Packs as well, released in Canada. They had to be in some sort of packaging, right? I can only assume that they are also in 4-Packs somewhere. Possibly 10-Packs released the Super Rares, who knows. We will only have a more clear idea once a packaged Super Rare is found.

[Tortle]

Could it be possible that the Satancross 4-Pack was Canadian?

I don't think so. The Canadian 4-packs were bi-lingual, meaning they had English along with French translations, but this carded Satan Cross doesn't have any French.

-Nathan

[arforbes]

Could it be possible that the Satancross 4-Pack was Canadian?

I don't think so. The Canadian 4-packs were bi-lingual, meaning they had English along with French translations, but this carded Satan Cross doesn't have any French.

-Nathan

Holy crap, so the Satancross 4-Packs were indeed American, or some of them anyway. We have yet to find a Canadian one still. But I wonder what version of the packaging holds the infamous Super Rares! Thanks for the info on that Nathan!

[Mr.Monster]

I agree with Johnny here. I think the Satancross was so common, if not as common as some of the rarer flesh figures like #189 and #195. I think Satancross was made as part of the M.U.S.C.L.E. line, as we have seen him in the 4-Packs. I am curious as to why he was discontinued though.

I don't think he was as common as you guys think. The 189 and 195 figures were easy to come by in 1986, I never had any trouble getting all the figures on the poster. I would scour the 4 packs for the figures I needed and I never came across a SC. I did this at multiple stores but I suppose it could be a regional thing. I collected Muscles from when they first were introduced until the multi-colored ones were brought out. And if he was so easy to come by, then why are there only 2 (I think) 4 packs with him? And why does he go for around $30 when he becomes available? Just because he's not on the poster? I don't buy that it's just a perceived notion of value or rarity. Just my opinions though...