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#1 jackowock

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 08:03 AM

http://www.ebay.co.u...=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

What do you make of this folks?
I put a max bid of 60 euros for this mimp when current bid was 20.
Three different bidders, all who have made 20+ retracted bids in last 6 months put in a series of bids in a 10 min timescale. The higher bidder then retracted leaving me at my max.
Not very subtle huh!?
I reported the listing to eBay, told the seller I was unhappy.
One of the three mystery multi-retraction bidders then outbid me. Presumably the seller trying to cover himself.
I wouldn't recommend dealing with this guy ever!!
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#2 jackowock

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 08:07 AM

Two minutes after new bid, seller messages to say "don't see what the problem is". I wonder if he just logged in to make a bid...
This guy has a lot to learn!
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#3 Sixthwizard

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 08:54 AM

I'm not into mimp, so I'm not a bidder on this list. I've never shill bid. Actually didn't even know what that term was until about a year ago....but I have put in bids to test the max bid before. Just seeing if it's worth my while to even bid. Resulting in high retraction stats.

Could be another collector being a shithole and making bids just so another collector doesn't get it cheap.

But, it is fishy when seller contacts two minutes after....don't think we will ever know the truth. Sucks man....could very well be just other bids rather than shills...

Those private listings always make me suspicious anyway.

Edited by Sixthwizard, 21 September 2014 - 08:58 AM.

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#4 jackowock

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:03 AM

No, but three different bidders with very similar retraction stats bidding within a few minutes of each other at a random ten minute interval.
Each had about 3 in last week, 20ish in last month.
It's too much coincidence to be genuine bidders. Also those three were private, no others were.
Then nothing for ages and then suddenly message from seller 5 mins after a higher bid.
Come on...
I've seen enough auctions to spot something that obvious!
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#5 Behemoth

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:25 AM

Send this to him:

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:32 AM

Awesome, but he's German so I fear the humour would be lost on him...
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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:34 AM

http://www.ebay.co.u...e-/390931374310

The final clincher...
Seller ended item early claiming it has been sold...
Expect to see this listed again sometime! Who knows what id though!
Avoid, avoid, avoid.
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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:39 AM

There's only a single bid retraction on that listing.
 
However, you are correct that shilling is occurring. If you click on the retracted bidder's 30-Day Bid History, he has bid on 31 items, all with this seller.


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:44 AM

Exactly!
You only need one bid to be retracted, you don't need to retract the lower bids.
I was referring to the bid history!
Glad you agree though!
It's shockingly blatant.
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#10 Jesse

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 10:32 AM

Whaa thats just way too many weird words
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Posted 21 September 2014 - 10:53 AM

This seller (balticrider) had a large listing MIMP listing that sold the other week which contained a blue Blemm! It also had a handful of other series 3 MIMP. I wonder if he bid himself up on that too as it went way higher than I thought it would. In fact, I was part of a joint bid on that lot and we got anihilated despite having a large bid that we thought would stand a chance. Wonder if he's now realised which figures were the series 3s and has started listing separately?
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Posted 21 September 2014 - 11:18 AM

Sounds like someone to avoid like the plague. 


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 12:10 PM

I bid for the same figure a few weeks back and got out bid by bidders with zero feedback. Smelt fishy so stopped bidding :)
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Posted 21 September 2014 - 01:13 PM

Yeah, just makes me really angry. It's basically fraud, but wrapped up in a sweet, innocent eBay auction.
I hope eBay take action but guess there's not much they can do.
What an a**ehole though...
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Posted 21 September 2014 - 04:28 PM

I'll never understand sellers that do that. Start your price at the lowest you're willing to part with the item at. If it goes up super high, awesome. If it doesn't, you as a seller don't feel cheated or like you just screwed yourself out of something you would have rather kept for $1.... but cheating buyers is just downright shameful. Sellers like that should have their accounts removed. 


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 05:33 PM

There's only a single bid retraction on that listing.
 
However, you are correct that shilling is occurring. If you click on the retracted bidder's 30-Day Bid History, he has bid on 31 items, all with this seller.

Nice work, SD.

 

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Not only do the 2 private bidders have 100% bid history on that seller, they each have 29 and 24 bid retractions.  This douche is probably using multiple accounts to boost his prices and then retracting when he "accidentally" wins his own auctions.  I am shocked that he is so obvious about it.  Let's just hope Ebay actually does something.


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 10:52 PM

Yep, I know, the lack of subtlety is perhaps the most surprising thing.
Did he really think I wouldn't notice something like that??
If anyone else is able to report this listing to eBay too, I'd appreciate it.
They might take it more seriously with multiple reports.
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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:51 AM

Did you say you'd called him out over it? Let's all message him ha :lol:
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#19 Jesse

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 09:15 AM

Nice, yet another assbutt seller to bother. Muahahahaa!!
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Posted 22 September 2014 - 09:36 AM

I reported him. Not sure if Ebay will do anything, but we'll see. 


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 09:44 AM

Aah, damnit
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Posted 22 September 2014 - 09:54 AM

I avoid this kind of BS by sniping. When you place a bid anytime before the last second you set a precedent for someone else to bid you up or outbid you. Bidding wars and shill bidding is something I learned long ago not to deal with.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:45 AM

Completely agree with you fantom.
I only bid like this when I'm not free to snipe at the requisite time!
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