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#1 bachamn

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 07:07 AM

I'm hoping someone here bought this and can confirm that it's completely sealed and unaltered? The price went crazy high for an S3 box, but with the error I guess that's not unusual. This is the first time I've seen this happen anyway, anyone else?

 

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 07:21 AM

Why is the shark the only one with his hands down?
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Posted 10 July 2015 - 07:36 AM

Why is the shark the only one with his hands down?

I think this is a very good question.

 

Would they even be producing S1 figures by the time S3 was rolling out? I find it unlikely they just happened to have one of these guys on the factory floor that this could happen with. 

I am not saying this is impossible, but I am saying that I am skeptical about it.


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 07:46 AM

Why is the shark the only one with his hands down?

 

He's chill, the others are flipping out.

 

Neat multipack, wasn't aware of these.


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 07:50 AM

Why is the shark the only one with his hands down?

Exactly, this is one of the things about it that gave me pause. That, and it looks like there might be a tear in the cardboard behind him but it could also just be a reflection and/or tape darkening the image.
 
Either way, considering the price I hope it's legit for whoever got it.
 

Neat multipack, wasn't aware of these.

Yeah all S3 Beasts were released this way outside of Japan; they quit doing the 2-packs after Series 2. I actually still don't have one of these S3 boxes yet; it's one of the only pieces of packaging I'm missing. I'm considering one of the three that are up right now though they're all opened so would be better if I could just get a box without the figures and fill it with my own for my display.

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 08:11 AM

Strange that a series 1 figure comes with a series 3 pack. Strange but also cool if it is legit and unaltered. 


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 08:19 AM

Exactly, this is one of the things about it that gave me pause. That, and it looks like there might be a tear in the cardboard behind him but it could also just be a reflection and/or tape darkening the image.


I think that is the taper holding the shark weapon to the wall you can see it on a few other guys as well

Also it looks like the dark armor variant of the shark. Is there any confirmation on where that variant came from?

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 08:31 AM

Are these US multipacks costly?   

 

 

What about the standard 2-packs?   For that matter, are all 76 available in 2-pack combos?   Were they randomly packed?


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 11:33 AM

Are these US multipacks costly?   

 

 

What about the standard 2-packs?   For that matter, are all 76 available in 2-pack combos?   Were they randomly packed?

S3 8-packs typically have gone for $100-150 over the past few years. This one going for $300 is obviously because of the odd Sawtooth Shark. 

 

I like to pay about $40 for 2-packs but I've paid $50 for one that I really wanted before. eBay prices for them seem to be shifting more towards $50 these days, though many folks who don't know any better will try to list them for more around $75-100.  

 

As mentioned the two-packs ended with S2, so you can't get S3 figures in 2-packs. Regarding pairings, they were done both sequentially and non-sequentially but always kept within the respective wave. I would say "randomly" instead of non-sequential but it seems the non-sequential pairings are pretty consistent, just not in order. So, one who is looking to complete a carded set usually needs to deliberately follow the roster in order and only buying those cards from the beginning, otherwise you'll end up re-purchasing at least one or two.


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 03:53 PM

I had a bid in on this in the hope to figure it out but it went way out of my reach knowing it was quite a gamble because the oddity here is at the same time the risk...... It looked pretty legit at first and I contacted the seller to ask where he´d found it and if there´s some more background info but there was not much more than what was described in the listing so based on that together with the pics provided I decided to take a shot at it. BUT I´m very glad I didn´t win it for the amount I had bid because with the current listed Series 3 8 packs by the same seller I´ve become quite suspicious about this being a genuine factory error piece knowing all of the other packs have been opened and adjusted (as well?) with double packed Beasts in it etc. There´s definitely a chance this was caused by a production/packaging error but by opening up the bubbles this whole possibility is ruined because there´s no evidence left of it knowing all the packs are most likely manually adjusted afterwards explaining the weird composition of Beasts in the 8 Packs listed by this seller.

 

IF these were real pieces its a big shame they´ve been opened because thanks to that we just can´t take these compositions very serious even though there might indeed have been something strange going on during the production/packaging of those.....

 

Pretty sure the buyer of this auction might be pretty pissed knowing the condition in which these others have been listed meaning there´s a pretty big chance there´s been messed with this piece as well.

 

This again shows that with opening old packaging, breaking the seal, important info can be lost.


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Posted 11 July 2015 - 09:24 AM

with the current listed Series 3 8 packs by the same seller I´ve become quite suspicious about this being a genuine factory error piece knowing all of the other packs have been opened and adjusted (as well?) 

The opened 8-packs and 2-packs that are currently up aren't from the same seller that listed the pack with the shark mentioned ITT.


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Posted 11 July 2015 - 03:20 PM

The opened 8-packs and 2-packs that are currently up aren't from the same seller that listed the pack with the shark mentioned ITT.

 

Your right, my bad. Though it is strange they happen to show up shortly after each other both having a very strange composition of the 8 pack, a coincidence!?!


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 05:08 AM

My assumption is that he had been holding a collection for sale and thought it was time to cash in after seeing the $300 box. Not knowing that it is an error pack (if legit) while his are just opened boxes with random S3s in them. I'd guess the original owner purchased a bunch of 8packs from clearance shelves and got duplicates, and coupled the dups together when he put them back in the boxes for storage.

I'd guess these will top out around 75ish unless someone doesn't realize they're opened. Seller does emphasize they are MIB (technically yeah, but opened inside the box) and word dances around the fact that the bubbles are open in the description. I'd almost bet that at least one bidder is going to be disappointed. For anyone just after complete S3 beasts though this could be a good opportunity to get them mint

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Posted 13 July 2015 - 09:56 AM

Anyone know who bought it? I wonder if the "makers markings" is different on the shark? I only ask because my shark "variant" has the smaller print of Hasbro & takara.
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Posted 13 July 2015 - 12:32 PM

Anyone know who bought it? I wonder if the "makers markings" is different on the shark? I only ask because my shark "variant" has the smaller print of Hasbro & takara.

if it's legit and sealed, bet on never knowing. Whoever bought this isn't going to be opening it to check ;)

 

I'm just going to go out on a limb though and say this packaging instance has nothing to do with what you guys are referring to as a variant shark paint job. The idea then would have to follow that somehow many sharks were packaged this way and we have no evidence of that.


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Posted 14 July 2015 - 02:47 AM

I'm so glad someone opened a post on this it has been driving me crazy all week.i have looked at both auctions many times and If u look at the item description they are pretty much the same so i actually do think they are from the same seller he just has two accounts.it's really upsetting to me actully cause they are all fake.and it makes me mad that the seller is trying to sell these as legit.opened bt legit,yeah i think not!u can't just open a package and Put whatever u want in there.sure i would love a lizard 2-pack they were my favorite a kid bt they never made it that way.who opens a perfectly good 2 or 3-pack just to take pictures of the item or so the description says.and what company in their right mind would produce a toy wth multiples of the same people in them that's pinheaded.there were never any series 3-packs with two sets of four that are duplicates its driving me mad lol!bt like mentioned earlier if they end cheap and u want a perfect loose complete them go for it.that guy who won the auction for this shark error is the same person who keeps winning all the 2-packs for really high amounts.then he doesn't pay the seller,the item gets relisted then he wins them for less.i know cause he keeps beating me in eBay auctions.i would never bid on this fake shark pack bt he won it and i hope he sees that he got ripped off.but it is not a factory error they did not produce series 1 figures along side series 3 that just wouldn't make sense.for one just timing wise of their releases.and in the description he says there's a tear along the top.I'm sure the tear is where he inserted the shark guy.and he wouldn't be holding a weapon as some of them do in the other packs.they were never produced this way.these fakes are stupid trying to trick us
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Posted 14 July 2015 - 04:00 AM

I'm so glad someone opened a post on this it has been driving me crazy all week.i have looked at both auctions many times and If u look at the item description they are pretty much the same so i actually do think they are from the same seller he just has two accounts.it's really upsetting to me actully cause they are all fake.and it makes me mad that the seller is trying to sell these as legit.opened bt legit,yeah i think not!u can't just open a package and Put whatever u want in there.sure i would love a lizard 2-pack they were my favorite a kid bt they never made it that way.who opens a perfectly good 2 or 3-pack just to take pictures of the item or so the description says.and what company in their right mind would produce a toy wth multiples of the same people in them that's pinheaded.there were never any series 3-packs with two sets of four that are duplicates its driving me mad lol!bt like mentioned earlier if they end cheap and u want a perfect loose complete them go for it.that guy who won the auction for this shark error is the same person who keeps winning all the 2-packs for really high amounts.then he doesn't pay the seller,the item gets relisted then he wins them for less.i know cause he keeps beating me in eBay auctions.i would never bid on this fake shark pack bt he won it and i hope he sees that he got ripped off.but it is not a factory error they did not produce series 1 figures along side series 3 that just wouldn't make sense.for one just timing wise of their releases.and in the description he says there's a tear along the top.I'm sure the tear is where he inserted the shark guy.and he wouldn't be holding a weapon as some of them do in the other packs.they were never produced this way.these fakes are stupid trying to trick us

 

There are indeed a couple of coincidences which gave me the idea of it being the same seller as well, because apart from the description there is also that weird kind of Stamp thing that is mentioned to be included but after Bachamn mentioned it was another seller it was indeed another username and even though this opens up the option of it being the same seller with two different account the location of the two accounts make it harder to believe that is indeed the case. But in the end it does not really matter if this is about one or two sellers because its about the origin and the legitimacy of these pieces being genuine or not.

 

I do agree that a packed in Series 1 Beast in a Series 3 8 pack is weird uncommon and almost impossible but as mentioned before I did place a bid on this item myself so I would have loved to figure out what has happened here so I was willing to take the gamble at a certain price. Of course that gamble would only pay of if there would have been no sign at all of the Shark replacing another Series 3 figure in that sealed pack because if that would not have been the case it is a pretty rare 8 pack! Chances of that being the case are very limited though considering its a different Series as well as a different type of packaging so how would a Series 1 figure end up in a Series 3 packaging line..... But like I said I have seen weirder stuff by now within this line so even if the chances are limited its not always fair to believe its a fake piece but in cases like these only good photos or having the particular piece in hand for further investigation would be needed to come to a solid conclusion.

 

If those other 8 packs with the double packed Beasts would have been on the card I could have understood them being original as well because there is a big chance these where packed automatically and if there would have been a failure in the packaging process there could have been a serious option of the machine cutting the wrong side of the set meaning there are double Beasts packed inside the 8 packs rather than two different rows of 4 Beasts since that would simply come down to a (human) mistake during the assembly resulting in a couple of these packages ending up on the market. But as mentioned before with these packs being opened there is no reason or whatsoever to believe that would actually have been the case because there is no control anymore over opened packages since you could even include Laser Beasts inside the Series 3 packs or something so it simply does not make sense any longer to believe it has had something to do with a factory error simply because its been opened and thus becomes uncontrollable. 

 

Apart from the legitimacy of these items being discussed the prices for some of the recent sales of 2 Packs as well as this Series 3 8 pack are worrying especially if these are indeed items that are never paid for because in that case there is most likely another account (from the same bidder that wins) that ends up getting the pieces for a much lower price by simply receiving a 2nd chance offer from the seller since the initial buyer does not pay. In that way this person excludes all kind of possible competition because they will all fear the total amount bid while in the end it was only a way to camouflage a scam. I will see if I can dig into this a little deeper because there is no way people like these can go ahead doing there trick unharmed buying our Beasts! 


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Posted 14 July 2015 - 08:16 AM

There are indeed a couple of coincidences which gave me the idea of it being the same seller as well, because apart from the description there is also that weird kind of Stamp thing that is mentioned to be included

Yeah the "stamp" bit in the title tricked me into thinking it was the same guy initially too, but I think it's just more evidence that the seller was trying to capitalize off the sale of the expensive shark pack. Seems like he clicked "Sell one like this" and left in most of the things in the title, not knowing enough about the line to remove the irrelevant keywords. I didn't really compare, but he might have even copied/pasted content from the description as well.
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Posted 14 July 2015 - 11:32 AM

if u find any info on what's going on wth that buyer who keeps buying all these pieces fr high prices post it or PM me.like i said I've been playing detective fr over a month Wth no real answer.I've checked All the auctions and the same buyer wins at the end.almost every 2-pack that went fr over $100 and up they won bt then a week or two later that same figure is back up then they win the auction again bt this time for way lower.then I've checked their feed back and looking at the bidders and u can tell it's the same person winning and their feedback keeps going up.he started At 60 feedback and now their at 129 as of a few days ago so its apparent their paying fr things so yeh its strange.it could be a new collector buying up everything to catch up on collecting or maybe a scam to cash in on battle beasts bt whatever it is it does seems like the battle beasts are being offered for more when their posted now as sellers see the prices going for higher.Any info found post it up guys.thanx
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Posted 14 July 2015 - 11:55 AM

if u find any info on what's going on wth that buyer who keeps buying all these pieces fr high prices post it or PM me.like i said I've been playing detective fr over a month Wth no real answer.I've checked All the auctions and the same buyer wins at the end.almost every 2-pack that went fr over $100 and up they won bt then a week or two later that same figure is back up then they win the auction again bt this time for way lower.then I've checked their feed back and looking at the bidders and u can tell it's the same person winning and their feedback keeps going up.he started At 60 feedback and now their at 129 as of a few days ago so its apparent their paying fr things so yeh its strange.it could be a new collector buying up everything to catch up on collecting or maybe a scam to cash in on battle beasts bt whatever it is it does seems like the battle beasts are being offered for more when their posted now as sellers see the prices going for higher.Any info found post it up guys.thanx

 

According to the seller the $275 final price was paid for in this particular case so I am afraid this item is not going to help us any further with that idea....


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Posted 14 July 2015 - 01:42 PM

Gotta think in terms of the factory and what they had on hand to fill this 8 pack.

First It seems highly Unlikely that the shark would be placed on accident in this box, I'm sure the mold for the shark was already retired and not in the factory to be produced. plus the idea of it getting painted as it would need to be wouldn't have been An option.

secondly if it was an error I doubt it would have came with the correct weapon, so the fact that it comes with its weapon as well shows that somebody just Swapped it in there. I'm sure they didn't happen to have the shark with this weapon stashed away somewhere to be put in as filler.

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Posted 14 July 2015 - 07:17 PM

so he strikes again.t**l as his handle is known or toll As i call him bought all of those fake error packages besides 4 that just ended a few hours ago.i checked the winning bids on all of them.the total they would spend came to over $1800.thats four weeks or more in a row now this same guy has won every auction for carded figures.most weeks they average $500 and up.who can do that?and almost every time he does this he pays for a few of them and the rest get relisted again then he wins them again for less.so im curious if the same Scenario will happen again.this guy whoever it is is making me soo mad!he buys everything and doesn't give any other person a chance to get anything cause he bids so darn high.i mean who can buy 18 items at once every week in a row.we have normal lives and bills come on people.and this is the same guy who just bought this error shark series 3 posted above which just ended at $275.
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Posted 14 July 2015 - 07:30 PM

so he strikes again.t**l as his handle is known or toll As i call him bought all of those fake error packages besides 4 that just ended a few hours ago.i checked the winning bids on all of them.the total they would spend came to over $1800.thats four weeks or more in a row now this same guy has won every auction for carded figures.most weeks they average $500 and up.who can do that?and almost every time he does this he pays for a few of them and the rest get relisted again then he wins them again for less.so im curious if the same Scenario will happen again.this guy whoever it is is making me soo mad!he buys everything and doesn't give any other person a chance to get anything cause he bids so darn high.i mean who can buy 18 items at once every week in a row.we have normal lives and bills come on people.and this is the same guy who just bought this error shark series 3 posted above which just ended at $275.

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Posted 15 July 2015 - 05:12 PM

so he strikes again.t**l as his handle is known or toll As i call him bought all of those fake error packages besides 4 that just ended a few hours ago.i checked the winning bids on all of them.the total they would spend came to over $1800.thats four weeks or more in a row now this same guy has won every auction for carded figures.most weeks they average $500 and up.who can do that?and almost every time he does this he pays for a few of them and the rest get relisted again then he wins them again for less.so im curious if the same Scenario will happen again.this guy whoever it is is making me soo mad!he buys everything and doesn't give any other person a chance to get anything cause he bids so darn high.i mean who can buy 18 items at once every week in a row.we have normal lives and bills come on people.and this is the same guy who just bought this error shark series 3 posted above which just ended at $275.

What you are referencing is a classic shill bidding scenario further solidifying the fact that the seller is full of crap and trying to pull a fast one. Multiple seller accounts, resealed packages, opened packages conveniently listed to appear sealed at first glance and a shill bidder all total up to beware of this scammer.


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