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#1 Soupie

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 01:20 PM

Here are the Trees missing Salmon.

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I had never noticed before that Part Two, Tree Two and Part Sixteen, Tree One matched.

Edited by Soupie, 06 August 2008 - 01:27 PM.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 04:30 AM

I feel like Richard Dryfeuss looking at a pile of mashed potatoes, “This means something!”

I start to get a little lost with these graphs. Let me make sure I’m understanding what I’m looking at. These are 12 Trees and all of them are missing Salmon. However the only trees that have the same colors are Part 6, Tree 2, Tree 14 and Part 7, Tree Two, Tree 16 – right?

What are you seeing from these?

I’ll tell you what I’m trying to connect. Since the color patterns don’t match, I thought the Common, Uncommon, Rare might help match patterns – but that doesn’t seem to be working either.

For example, Part 3-Tree 1-Tree 5 has Red and Orange as common. Part 7-Tree3-Tree 17 also has Red and Orange as common. But they don’t share Magenta, Purple, and Green. And while both have Dark Blue one is Rare and the other is uncommon.

But maybe Dark Blue is classified correctly? Maybe we are looking at three factories.

Factory 1 has both trees and makes Red, Orange, and Dark Blue.
Factory 2 has Part 7-Tree3-Tree 17 and makes Purple and Magenta.
Factory 3 has Part 3-Tree 1-Tree 5 and makes Green.
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 10:06 AM

What are you seeing from these?

At the moment, nothing. But let me explain my reasoning behind grouping them.

(1) You threw out the possibility that the trees were divided up between the factories.

(2) You would think that Bandai would try to make sure that each Tree got "dipped" in at least one run of every color. I mean, why wouldn't they? (They made all the Kinkeshi in every color, right?)

(3) So why do we see EXACTLY no less than four colors for each Tree, and no more than eight colors for each Tree? (With the exception of the board game tree.)

(4) I figure there has got to be a reason why Trees are missing certain colors? Is it because they were made in factories* that didn't have these colors?

(5) Veers, when looking at the data -- the most reliable data is definitely the "missing" colors and secondly probably the "rare" colors. The distinction between "uncommon" and "common" isn't great enough to be very accurate. Just keep that in mind when looking over this data.

(6) I think the answer is right in front of us and is tied to which colors the trees are missing and which colors they are rare in.

For example, Part 3-Tree 1-Tree 5 has Red and Orange as common. Part 7-Tree3-Tree 17 also has Red and Orange as common. But they don’t share Magenta, Purple, and Green. And while both have Dark Blue one is Rare and the other is uncommon.

But maybe Dark Blue is classified correctly? Maybe we are looking at three factories.

Factory 1 has both trees and makes Red, Orange, and Dark Blue.
Factory 2 has Part 7-Tree3-Tree 17 and makes Purple and Magenta.
Factory 3 has Part 3-Tree 1-Tree 5 and makes Green.

Yes, we are definitely on the same page here. How can we tease this information out of the data?

Another thing to keep in mind, Veers, is that some of the trees that have lots of sculpt -- like the tree(s) in Part one and two -- may actually be two trees made in the same colors. For example, look at Part 8, Trees 1 and 3.

These two Trees are identical... except for the fact that one was made in Board Game Grape. If it wasn't for Tree One being made in Grape, it would look like one large tree.

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*Copies of some, or even all, of the Trees may have been at 2 or more factories. For instance, if factory A had orange, and factory B has light blue, maybe the sent a copy of Tree Five to both factories so it could be made in each of those colors.

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Edited by Soupie, 07 August 2008 - 10:09 AM.

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Posted 07 August 2008 - 11:08 AM

Between this thread and this thread I’m losing my mind trying to keep up.

(1) You threw out the possibility that the trees were divided up between the factories.

Yes. We know there were multiple factories. The patterns from the Trees and colors really seem to support this too.

(2) You would think that Bandai would try to make sure that each Tree got "dipped" in at least one run of every color. I mean, why wouldn't they? (They made all the Kinkeshi in every color, right?)

Hmmm...you’d think so. Why would they not make every color? I think the easy answer would be that because Dark Blue, Red, and Purple were first so they are common. Anyone wanting a Purple Claw can tell you it isn’t too easy to come by. The answer has to be in the break-up of the Trees and the colors available to each factory. Factory A might have the Tree with the Claw, but they sure can’t make it if all they have is Dark Blue and Red.

(3) So why do we see EXACTLY no less than four colors for each Tree, and no more than eight colors for each Tree? (With the exception of the board game tree.)

For me, we throw the board game out. Wasn’t the board game made in Mexico? Those figures could have been made in Mexico?! Which might even explain the different Purple.

As for the color breakdown, again I think it has to do with the factories. Maybe it’s as simple as each factory getting four colors, but some factories getting the same Trees.

(4) I figure there has got to be a reason why Trees are missing certain colors? Is it because they were made in factories* that didn't have these colors?

I think so.

(5) Veers, when looking at the data -- the most reliable data is definitely the "missing" colors and secondly probably the "rare" colors. The distinction between "uncommon" and "common" isn't great enough to be very accurate. Just keep that in mind when looking over this data.

I agree 100% here. Based on the other thing I’m working on there’s really just two rankings. I think the rares (super or otherwise) are the result of a Tree not going to more than one factory.

(6) I think the answer is right in front of us and is tied to which colors the trees are missing and which colors they are rare in.

Again, agreed.
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