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#1 Sixthwizard

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:13 AM

I have a "sealed" muscle can- all color, concerning me.  I have never noticed it until last night.  The wrapper art seems different.  Skewed and squished a little- seems a little smaller artwork.  

 

Were there variations in the wrappers?  or do I possibly have evidence of a ReSealed Muscle Can from..................?  Oddly enough- a Green153 is right on bottom, just like his Bonbe Can...

 

Can post some pics on my lunch today-

 

 


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 07:33 AM

I'd say that sounds a little too convenient... The 153 on the bottom and all. Where did you get it? Do you think maybe someone sold one that they bought from that one guy?

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 07:46 AM

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 07:50 AM

I'm not concerned about the figure being on the bottom.  I have seen plenty of Cans with figures smack on the bottom.  The wrapper graphics are killing me though.  You'll see in about 45 minutes.


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 08:34 AM

Far right can being one in question, in both pics.
First pic shows front graphics being smaller than other two cans. Second pic shows back graphics being larger than other two cans.
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Posted 26 May 2015 - 11:38 AM

To me it doesn't look so much like the printing is smaller but that the picture is pulled down lower onto the can by about half an inch.  None of the three are actually centered exactly the same.  That is really weird.  You see how on the one the mattel sign is right on the ridge at the bottom, but the other two it is higher up.  I checked out my color cans and they all have the Mattel sign higher above the bottom ridge.  


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 12:02 PM

To me it doesn't look so much like the printing is smaller but that the picture is pulled down lower onto the can by about half an inch.  None of the three are actually centered exactly the same.  That is really weird.  You see how on the one the mattel sign is right on the ridge at the bottom, but the other two it is higher up.  I checked out my color cans and they all have the Mattel sign higher above the bottom ridge.  

 

I agree with tarmooyf, I think it looks alright... for whatever it's worth.

 

 

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 12:50 PM

The labels are different for sure 100%.

 

Can on the right, The guy is squished.  Very visibly so....Ill try and get some better pics up.

 

Can on the right- If you look at the Safety Tested wording and the rest of the wording- It is larger than the other two.  If is was an issue of being pulled down, then the wording on the right can should be smaller than the other two- since the can is smaller at the bottom.  But it isn't.  It's larger even when the cans circumference is smaller....

 

I don't know.......

 

Looks like someone skewed the art.


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 01:09 PM

The label does look pulled down, but you are right also...There is no question at all that the labels are slightly different. The safety wording alone is obvious. It is hard to tell with the front art though. Better pics like you said may shed light on that. Was this an old purchase from that guy I'm assuming? I wouldn't think anyone from here would buy from him now. 

 

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 02:36 PM

Is it possible that because the label of the can on the far right is further down that when it was heat sealed(?) the wrapper just shrunk more giving the appearance of being a smaller font? Or maybe, which actually makes more sense, the front was heated relatively more/faster than the back to get it down to the can. This could explain both the smaller font on the front and larger font on back. I have not had a sealed one in 20+ years so I don't know exactly how that process is done.


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 03:30 PM

As far as I know, you can't take a legitimate wrapper, remove it and then reseal it. You can however, recreate a wrapper, print a run and then use those to reseal a can. I would look super closely at the different wrappers.
On the one you suspect, look for signs that it was made from a scan of an original or recreated digitally. Maybe the font is slightly or not in scale with the graphics, etc.

One thing to look for is if the wrapper is shrunk evenly. The large factories use a steam tunnel to shrink the wrap. The steam keeps the heat evenly distributed. Using a heat gun will leave uneven spots where part of the label is shrunk a lot more than other parts and is really noticeable. You will see some areas looking more white like stressed plastic and areas which look like one part is highly stretched out. Hard to describe. I'll post some pics later.

When I did the OMFG Series 2 cans, we shrunk about 500 labels. After about 20-30 of them using a heat gun, I found a much better way to do it.
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Posted 26 May 2015 - 04:51 PM

I don't know if this works but I would look at the lid hinge for any stress marks. A factory sealed can will not have as prominent stress at the hinge and will still be fairly clear as they are never opened fully. All the open cans I owned had a strong stress crease in the lid hinge from being opened and closed a few times.
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Posted 26 May 2015 - 09:29 PM

I don't know if this works but I would look at the lid hinge for any stress marks. A factory sealed can will not have as prominent stress at the hinge and will still be fairly clear as they are never opened fully. All the open cans I owned had a strong stress crease in the lid hinge from being opened and closed a few times.

That's a great thing to look for!


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Note the blotchy uneven look. How some spots are more white as the plastic is thicker and other areas are still clear. This is due to the non-uniform heating that is common with a heat gun.
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Posted 26 May 2015 - 11:20 PM

Note the blotchy uneven look. How some spots are more white as the plastic is thicker and other areas are still clear. This is due to the non-uniform heating that is common with a heat gun.

Yea that is kind of what I was thinking. The words/lettering will shrink with respect to how much the plastic shrinks in any particular area. If heated more on the front and less on the back compared to other cans, the font on the front would be smaller when compared to other cans and larger on the back. 

 

Is there a way this could have happened "naturally" in a factory setting? Like if that can was in the corner or along the side of a conveyor belt with sides or ends. Perhaps metal sides that got hotter or remained cooler than the air used to seal them. I feel that if it was due to varying temperatures on the can, there could be tons of hypothesis that could explain this. Maybe the hot air coming down or up was blocked by another can out of place, or cardboard, or anything. Many factory anomalies occur that give variation to packaging etc.

 

I got an empty pack of fruit snacks the other day that was accounted for as one of the packs. It happens...


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Posted 27 May 2015 - 01:21 AM

ive had a handful of sealed cans and have never noticed any differences, not to say its not possible.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:58 PM

If you didn't buy this from the un-named suspect, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.......


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 04:10 PM

I didn't get it from him. I have never purchased anything from the dude.
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Posted 28 May 2015 - 09:29 PM

Ok...tracked down the sale. $29 City.Diner on eBay. Out of Illinois...

More I look at it, more I think it's ok. No stress marks anywhere at all on the can.

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Posted 29 May 2015 - 07:36 AM

I had a case some years back. 6-7 cans had claws in them. This was back before super-claw-mania when a Claw was worth about $1-$2.
This was back on 2009 and I was selling them like this:

$12 - flesh 4 pack
$20 - random colored 10 pack
$30 - colored 10 pack with green claw (#153)
$30 - colored 10 pack with magenta Niku (#60)


I pulled these from a sealed case of 10 packs, so I know they do appear legitimately in the cans.
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