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[jkaris]

According to MUSCLEDB.Com there are two MUSCLEs found in every color. #17 (kinnikuman w/cape) and #77(4-armed fat guy)

Can we confirm these with pictures?

[arforbes]

I was actually thinking about M.U.S.C.L.E.s in every color the other day. It makes no sense that there would not be one that was not made in every color. I highly doubt that Mattel actually sat down and said, "Here's what we are going to do...We will choose what single color to not make each figure in, but every figure will vary in that color that they are not going to be produced in." I think they poured them at random at different factories, and that's why we have more than others in different colors. There has got to be at least a few out there in every color though. The odds make it almost certain that there is at least one in every color.

[Soupie]

I doubt it until I see it. The problem with the site is that anyone can enter anything they want, regardless of the truth.

I sent Sandy about 60 formatted and cropped photos of my colored MUSCLEs about 2 months ago.

However, the last I heard from him, he was busy updating his other site, twistypuzzles.com.

The addition of photos would be a huge undertaking, but would certainly enhance the site.

[GRANDTHEFT]

You would think Jon, that if any figures had been made in every color
someone like yourself with a huge collection would have found a muscle in the full color scheme.


but then again we keep finding rares , don't we Alex






Mischa

[Beligerant1]

I would be really surprised if there werent at least a few figures in every color, but then again we've found like four super-duper rares and people have been searching for a figure in every color for far longer than they have been searching for super rares. That kind of makes you think. I know a lot of people are like me and they too are only looking for a few figures in every color, not the whole damn poster's worth. Focused searches by people like me spanning years have not yet turned up a figure in every single color. Granted i havnt been that active in the muscle community lately but i was looking for a long time for just a few figures. I would also suspect that someone like arforbes, if it could be done, would have put together one set of one figure in the different colors by now, as driven and willing to shell out cash as he is.

A lot of us have bought tons of colored figs and spent a lot of money trying to find them. The variety of muscles is too vast to easily say that one figure just doesnt exist, its too overwhelming to catalogue the actual existence of the known figures with accuracy. By my calculations Arforbes has a hell of a job: hes got three super rares now, but so far we know of at least 233 more figures that havent been found.

[doc_moore_j]

I dont know why they would keep each muscle out of at least one color, but it seems as they have. I think Beligerant is right, out of all of us with huge collections you would think between us we would be able to come up with at least one muscle in all colors. I am not 100% certain, but most of the kinkeshi were made in all colors right? Alex may be on to something, maybe they did just dump color into molds not caring what color or which mold. It seems there are a lot of purples laying around and few salmon for example. I dont know how the whole toy production proccess works, but marty says molds get thrashed. Maybe certain molds were ruined before it got to that colors turn or something, which is why there are a few muscles that we can only find in 5-6 colors. Or maybe that is why we have only seen a couple purple claws. I dont know. Maybe some evil scientist plotted all of this knowing a bunch of geeks like myself will be trying to solve muscles unsolved mysteries years after they were produced. Or maybe they were rotating the figures and the colors. Say 1-100 started with red, orange, blue, and 101-233 started with green, salmon, purple and they decided to cancel muscle production before all the rotating was complete. Maybe all the colors we are missing are sorted by which color they were going to make next and they stopped making muscles because they are fukcers.

[THEGODBEAST]

Wouldn't it be funny if they planned this all along........


Mattel product manager for Muscles:

I got an idea...someday when these nerdy kids are in their 20's-30's and they are trying to regain toys/memories of their childhood, we will have the laugh of a century.

Let's make sure that each figure is missing one color in which the figure won't be produced in. Let's also throw in a handful of test market Super rares for them to go nutz over. Let's keep no records of this. Also, let's creat a human muscle with "Super Rare tracking" DNA, let's call him "ALEX." He will be able to lift small compact cars in a single bound! HA! HA! HA! HA! <-Evil Laugh.

Oh, and let's make a horny, steroid pumpin', manko pie eating, fruit loop named "Jason." Naw...go break that mold before we totally fukc up the entire world.

Sweat shop assembly line worker: Sorry boss we have already made one, he popped out of a C.U.T.I.E.S. mold...

TGB

[doc_moore_j]

You funny bastitch!!! Damn I love you guys.

That would be funny as hell. The CEO is probably a member of this board and he is laughing his arse off right now.



By the way, I cant help it if your still jealous that 102 old lady was all over my muscles and nuts at the asian market.

So when is the WCMM 2004?

[arforbes]

Haha!!! That is hilarious Marty. Doc and all you guys crack me up. The funny thing is that it is all true what you say. Johnny is the CEO and I am "the one".

The one what you say?

The one who can change the M.U.S.C.L.E.s as he sees fit. I see the code.

Edited by arforbes, 02 June 2004 - 02:53 PM.

[arforbes]

Just jokin'. I have no Super Rare tracking DNA. But I had you all there for a moment.

[Sandy]

I sent Sandy about 60 formatted and cropped photos of my colored MUSCLEs about 2 months ago.

However, the last I heard from him, he was busy updating his other site, twistypuzzles.com.

That's still pretty much where I'm at. Busy as hell these days. And I don't seem to know how to stop taking on new projects. I will definately get back to this, so please don't write me off yet. If anyone wants to keep taking photos, I'll keep collecting them until I eventually post them all in an explosion of effort.

BTW, Thanks once again for the images, Soupie!

Sandy

[phillymadison]

I seen this thread when it was first started but didnt have the time to add my 3 cents

MUSCLEDB is a great idea and a great web site

I was happy to have my collection be the first collection on this site

now that there are others its great to see who has what and such

also the total #'s of how many people have what fig in what coloris a new nice touch

but theres now a few problems

for starters some of the "newer" collectors either don't know what they really have or don't know how to input it on the web site correctly weather they cant tell the diffrence from orange and salmon to they don't know what #'s there figures are
any Joe Blow can put there real or made up collection on MUSCLEDB

2nd problem The seasoned veterans (Aforbes I'm looking at you) are making mistakes with there huge collections
now i know i dont live with Alex or anything lol but I'm willing to bet Alex doesn't own #189 in Light Blue (Super Meat) sounds wierd but i'll bet I'm right
over all this isnt to big of a problem just to prove a point and an example

the biggest problem MUSCLEDB has is "Jimmy's List"
the old old list of figures people said they had back when, that know one can ask or see if its true or not
all the figures on MUSCLEDB that says theres a full set of all 9 colors comes from Jimmy's being the 9th color
MUSCLEDB should have started fresh with current collectors maybe put Jimmys list as a side list just to see if its as real as it says

lastly there shouldnt be a whole row of the light purple colors just makes it confusing seeing as there are only 5 figures in Light Purple again a side list with these would be nice or a side row

over all the only true way to see whats what and to fix this (except for the light purple figs lol) is with pictures and with that said here is #77

#77 In All 8 Colors

every color but Light Blue to save you some searching time the only person that claims to have a light Blue #77 is "Jimmy's List"

the only list on MUSCLEDB I can trust is my own lol

one last thing and I think Alex can back me up with this one it seems a lot of the figures that we still need come from Canada
alot of the last few auctions where I need a fig or to were from Canada so Canada might not be for Super Rares but It may be for Color Rares

[THEGODBEAST]

I may not be too big into this topic, however, I would agree and disagree with you...

PHOTOS are the ONLY way to prove a muscle in all colors...PERIOD...

Canada IS the key to a TON of the muscle mysteries. Look right now at Mattel MOTU in Canada, Philipines, Europe and Australia...and Mattel MOTU in the 80's, dumped in Europe. This is exactly the same thing that happened with Star Wars....80's POTF was dumped in HUGE #'s in Canada, Australia, and Europe...and 80's Battle Beasts, once again, dumped in Europe, Philippines, and Japan...and again 80's Mattel Secret Wars, once again dumped in Europe (Iceman, Electro, & Constrictor).

So the color theory and the Super Rare theory, still holds Canadian weight...

Does anyone have all 9 colors of any muscle?

TGB

[Tortle]

the biggest problem MUSCLEDB has is "Jimmy's List"

I don't doubt the integrity of the collectors that contributed to Jimmy's List, since many of them are around today. But I guess the main problem with the list is the probability of mistakes along the line. Those collectors had to make acurrate lists, Jimmy had to input the lists correctly on the site, and I had to input the list correctly on MuscleDB.com. There's plenty of room for error in the process, but frankly, there's plenty of room for error with everyone's list. There is absolutely no way for this list to be 100% accurate, and there's no way to even make a 100% accurate list. You could provide pictures, but frankly, how many people are going to scan in EVERY SINGLE MUSCLE on their list? It's absolutely unreasonable.

I view the list as a "good estimate" of the colors available. That's it. I don't think it was intended to be the MUSCLE Color List Bible.

[arforbes]

2nd problem The seasoned veterans (Aforbes I'm looking at you) are making mistakes with there huge collections
now i know i dont live with Alex or anything lol  but I'm willing to bet Alex doesn't own #189 in Light Blue (Super Meat) sounds wierd but i'll bet I'm right 
over all this isnt to big of a problem just to prove a point and an example

Thanks Phil,

When I got my Green #189 I must have entered it as a Light Blue #189 at MuscleDB. Nice catch man! As soon as I receive your figures from the purchase I will be checking over my whole list at MuscleDB and making any necessary corrrections, although I think the rest is 100% spot on. You were right though about the Light Blue #189, I did not have him. It was an input error. I guess I was so excited when I scored him in green that it got the best of me.

Edited by arforbes, 23 August 2004 - 08:24 AM.

[Soupie]

for starters some of the "newer" collectors either don't know what they really have or don't know how to input it on the web site correctly weather they cant tell the diffrence from orange and salmon to they don't know what #'s there figures are

Perhaps a direct link at MUSCLEDB to the following on Nathan's MUSCLE Page! would help:

MUSCLEUK Picture Archive

MUSCLE Color Wheel

Edited by Soupie, 23 August 2004 - 12:43 PM.

[Reccoom Kaboom]

so which are the farthest from one in every color? other than 234, 235, sc, and the super-rares, are there any in the 233 that only have been found in 2 or 3 colors?

[arforbes]

so which are the farthest from one in every color? other than 234, 235, sc, and the super-rares, are there any in the 233 that only have been found in 2 or 3 colors?

That is a good question, and I have never thought about that before...the rarest colored figure produced in the least amount of colors, interesting. I will have to check the chart I have on that.

[TOPHER]

Started collecting for my nephew in 1988.Got obssesed and amassed
close to 800 pieces within a couple of weeks.Stopped,probably met a new
girlfriend.Then over the years got some at flee markets,bazzars,salvation army
stores.... .Then a wonderfull surprise,EBAY! 6 months ago.
I was thrilled to see that people still collected them.But what I didn't know
is that they came in LIGHT BLUE for the 4 packs and trash cans,the only ones I had
were in my 28 packs,10 pieces in all.So I thought light blues only came in the 28
packs.Point being light blue figures were
very uncommon here.Whereas If I couldn't
find a fleshie in a particular sculpt I'd opt for light green or blue.
OK this post is a couple of months later,any progress in how to proseed.
My idea is this,take the biggest collection(Alex's)take pics of it,then the remaining
missing pics get submitted as they come in by members or by interested persons
willing to lend a hand.Scans would be a prefered method.Some pics on ebay are
not all that clear or figures may have been physicaly painted to the owners likeing
as a kid.I got such pieces and was very dissappointed.

TOPHER.

(PS:don't post while drunk cause you might spill your beer....wheres the rags)

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

I know it's a little late to be posting here, but I thought it would be neat if on the MuscleDB, a thumbnail picture of the figure would appear in the boxes where it shows you how many of a particular figure someone has. For instance if you do not have a dark blue #1 and then you get one and document it in your list, a thumbnail image would then be available in the box for the Dark blue #1 when you view your collection totals. It would be alot easier to see which figures someone has by seeing the image rather than having to take the time to look and see if there is a number. Just an idea. I really just felt like posting something, but who knows! Someone might like the idea. That is if you guys understand what I am saying.