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#1 Peikko

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:55 PM

Some of you might have seen this in the shoutbox, but over the last few days I've had an issue with mc chris. I'm pretty much going to copy and paste from my blog, and you guys can decide for yourselves what you make of the situation. I can't prove anything one way or another, but I can share my experience at least. 

 

Back in May I submitted three (four if you count a variant) t-shirt designs to mc chris for a contest. I was totally fine with not winning the contest, and I was fine with him not mentioning my design as one that he liked on facebook when he gave out kudos. On July 3rd I noticed he has a brand new tank top coming out that's essentially my design redone. I find it more than suspect that he puts out a contest for shirt ideas because he has none, and then that after I submit a Fantasia-style wizard hat he conveniently has a redone version of a Fantasia-style wizard hat coming out as new merch. In certain situations I might say that if this was a rare case of overlapping ideas, since this should have been an obvious concept, he should have sent me a courtesy e-mail stating that he had a similar shirt already in production. In this case I call blatant idea theft.

 

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Here's a photo of the art on his website, in anticipation of all the content eventually being pulled. My designs are the first three of the third row. The contest winner is the fourth row, second image. There was one other design submission with Fantasia as a theme, featuring mc chris as Mickey Mouse controlling some brooms. It's the second row, fourth image in. It's hard not to think of Lord of the Rings or Fantasia when you hear a song called "I'm A effin' Wizard". Even so, it's hard not to call folly when you submit JUST a Fantasia-wizard hat for a shirt contest (to someone who claims they have no ideas for a new shirt), and then within a month there's a redone version of just that.

 

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And here's the "variant" I mentioned that he didn't post to his site.

 

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The worst part about all of this is that I had submitted to his contest in hopes of reaching a wider audience, not to make money. The money wasn't the point at all. I didn't submit thinking, "I'm definitely getting $500 for this!". I submitted because I liked him, I liked his music, and if I did win it would be a step in the right direction for a struggling artist. If I had even received an e-mail along the lines of, "Hey! I really liked your concept, but I want to totally redo it and go in a different direction. Is that cool?" I would have been all over that, and I would have offered to redo it for free if it meant a shout-out to my website or art page. Instead my ideas are reaching a wider audience, just not in the ways I had hoped.

 

 

Since my initial posting mc chris got into contact with me after I had messaged him, trying to say that this was all unintentional and he wanted to try to make it up to me. This is how our conversation panned out: 

 

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… so apparently pointing out why I took issue with everything, that months have not transpired and that the redesign must have taken place within 2-3 weeks (3 weeks if he paid a rush fee and it was genuinely produced/in hand in 7 days) of the contest ending, is this situation being "in my head". I must have imagined submitting that design, then. Thanks for insulting me and then saying you'd like to see me at a show to apologize for having done absolutely nothing wrong. Apologies do seem considerably less genuine when laced with an insult. 

 


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:09 PM

I'm sad your sad... LOL...

 

MC Chris sounds classy.

 

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:10 PM

He may not have stole your idea, but he certainly didn't care enough to go through his month-old contest submissions for similarities.  I don't know which is worse.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:19 PM

My guess is that it was a parallel thinking situation...I mean it is a similar concept but the design is different enough that this could be the case. If anything, perhaps the designer he hired for the shirt (produced in 1 week) got stumped for ideas and scanned through the submissions for something to copy. 

 

I don't think it's unrealistic that he didn't recall your submission, and hoonestly his responses didn't seem insulting to me but rather genuine and apologetic. He didn't have to reply at all, (most celebrities will not or are too busy to do so) so I think that says a lot

 

Not trying to disagree with you but thought it might help to see it from a different perspective. I've also been a fan for a while, though I've not followed him since the Aqua Teen days ;)


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:44 PM

My guess is that it was a parallel thinking situation...I mean it is a similar concept but the design is different enough that this could be the case. If anything, perhaps the designer he hired for the shirt (produced in 1 week) got stumped for ideas and scanned through the submissions for something to copy. 

 

I don't think it's unrealistic that he didn't recall your submission, and hoonestly his responses didn't seem insulting to me but rather genuine and apologetic. He didn't have to reply at all, (most celebrities will not or are too busy to do so) so I think that says a lot

 

Not trying to disagree with you but thought it might help to see it from a different perspective. I've also been a fan for a while, though I've not followed him since the Aqua Teen days ;)

 

You know, I did want to give him that benefit, and I did say that I was sorry for both of us if that was the situation... but again, I can't prove it one way or another. He said himself that he came up with the design. I was surprised initially by how nice he was being, and I was trying to not be overly upset by everything when I wrote to him. Like I also told him, I appreciated him replying in general. But coming back to someone after they've explained to you why the situation looks bad on their side and saying, "a lot of this is in your head" is a bit insulting. How would you feel in my shoes if someone said that to you in this same situation? I don't feel as if any of my arguments were unreasonable, but perhaps I'm wrong. 

 

 

He may not have stole your idea, but he certainly didn't care enough to go through his month-old contest submissions for similarities.  I don't know which is worse.

 

Three week old submissions, if the 1-week shirt production line was true. 


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 07:06 PM

It's just stupid.

 

He admits he "forgot" about your design and then came up with something pretty much exactly the same himself shortly thereafter. So whether he did it intentionally or not makes nooooooo difference at all. He jacked your idea either way. He saw it, logged it away in his brain and spit it out shortly thereafter. Even if he is 100% honest that he didn't realize he was stealing your design he was still stealing your design. He started out nice enough and then went and got all condescending. I respect people who get mad or angry but being condescending pisses me off. He needs to make it right cause this looks pretty bad on his part.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 09:51 PM

Who know he was still a thing? I thought MC Chris died in a horrible grease fire.


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