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[Wraith]

1.) Do you think the US will allow same sex marriage? If so, when?
2.) Do you think that the US should recognize same sex marriages that take place in foreign countries?
3.) Do you think that the government should have any law stating what type of sex we can have (of course there should be laws to protect children, I’m talking about consenting adults. Oh, and no animal stuff either)?

1.) yes i do, as soon as the right-wing christians get replaced by more liberal politicians.

2.) of course

3.) i think as long as the person is old enough to give consent while sober, then who cares what they do? as long as it doesn't involve any animals besides humans.

[ToyMan]

one time, i heard this flaming comedian say something to the effect of "why would i want to get married? that's my favorite part about being gay, not being able to get married! don't mess this up for me!!!".

but, sure- people should be allowed to join themselves in union as long as both parties are consenting, obviously.

[Rokk]

1.) Do you think the US will allow same sex marriage? If so, when?
2.) Do you think that the US should recognize same sex marriages that take place in foreign countries?
3.) Do you think that the government should have any law stating what type of sex we can have (of course there should be laws to protect children, I’m talking about consenting adults. Oh, and no animal stuff either)?

1. No. There is a chance that the US may allow gays some legal rights enjoyed by married couples in order to make it easier for gay couples to have Power of Attorney for their partner or to be a beneficiary on a life insurance plan or a 401K plan. But, full gay marriages just like straight marriages? No.

2. No.

3. No. The government has absolutely no right to dictate what consenting adults can do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Any sex law is absolutely ridiculous.

[arforbes]

1.) Do you think the US will allow same sex marriage? If so, when?
2.) Do you think that the US should recognize same sex marriages that take place in foreign countries?
3.) Do you think that the government should have any law stating what type of sex we can have (of course there should be laws to protect children, I’m talking about consenting adults. Oh, and no animal stuff either)?

1. I don't see this happening any time soon, but it may someday become a reality. It pretty much already is a reality actually, just not officially.
2. I don't think it is really that much of an issue for our country to have to recognize at this time.
3. I think these laws should exist, especially for certain religions. But people are going to do what they want anyways. They can't help what they are. Sure it is considered a sin, but the lord made them that way so what can they do, right?

[Adamantiumwulf]

1.) Do you think the US will allow same sex marriage? If so, when?
2.) Do you think that the US should recognize same sex marriages that take place in foreign countries?
3.) Do you think that the government should have any law stating what type of sex we can have (of course there should be laws to protect children, I’m talking about consenting adults. Oh, and no animal stuff either)?

1. Unfortuanetly yes. When who knows. I think it will come with small steps. Allowing them to be on same insurance together, 401k, pensions That kind of stuff then eventually it will lead into it. That way more and more peole will see it as normal.

2. No. It would open a can of worms. If you accept it from a foreign country then it would make it easier to press the point if you accept it from there then why not allow it here.

3. No. You have your agency to choose right or wrong. You will have to deal with the consequences sooner or later.

As far as not being able to help it thats thats a load of Bull.

[mimoman]

As far as not being able to help it  thats  thats a load of Bull.

Are you suggesting that homosexuality is a choice rather then genetic?

Everything is a choice. Whether we choose to make it or not is an entirely different matter.

[Adamantiumwulf]

Why do you think homosexuality is a choice?

I made a choice that I do not want to have sex with a guy.

Everybody makes a choice whenever they have sex.

You can decide where to stick your unit or where not to. You can choose who you do or do not like. It isn't hard to decide you do or don't like someone.

When do you not have a choice?

[jkaris]

Homosexuality IS a choice. It is a sexual preference.
To say that homosexuality is pre-programmed is to say that pedophiles and those who eff animals are born like that. That is a crock of shizznit.

We choose what we like and who we like throughout life.
The desire for sex is natural, the desire for sex with a member of the opposite is natural. Homosexuality is NOT normal, it is a choice.
Whether you believe in evolution or creationism, both theories realize that nature requires the propagation of the species. Homosexuality does not do that.

Can you find examples in nature of homosexuality? Nope, they don't exist.

Homosexuality is a preference, not a genetic pre-disposition.

If homosexuality was genetic, then you could not chenge your preferences. I know plenty of people who have changed their preferences from gay to straight, and even vise versa.

To answer your questions though,

1. Yes, unfortunately it will happen. I disagree with it though. Marriage is an institution between man and wife, not "man and man" or "woman and woman".

There should however be some form of domestic contract that can be entered into, for ANY 2 persons who wish to be bound together. This would include best friends, homosexuals, etc. Basically any 2 people who want to spend their life together and have those responsibilities.

2. No, I don't believe the US should recognize contracts that are illegal here, regardless of the type of contract.

3. Hell NO! Government should have no business legislataing what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home, considering that the matter does not affect a non-willing adult or otherwise infringe on someone elses rights.

[jkaris]

Wrong, everything is not a choice. Take a look at ANY social psychology. You may believe that your life is completely controlled by you, and for the most part that is true, but the environment affects you much more than people want to admit.

That is a false pretense Veers. Regardless of outside influences, the choice remains yours. We are creatures of choice. We even have the choice to over-ride our genetic programming, which is A LOT more powerful than any outside influences.

[ToyMan]

maybe animals don't commit to a life of homosexuality because don't have the mental facilities to even ponder something in that realm?

to say "animals don't do it, so humans aren't supposed to do it!" is bullshizznit. i don't know how anyone would draw a comparisons so directly between animal behaviour and human behaviour, and then even start to claim that one dictates the other.

weak.

[ToyMan]

who's to say that when a population of lifeforms grows to a certain level, the inherent desire to go out and spread seed doesn't ebb off? like, who can say that? can you tell me that's not the way it's supposed to be? perhaps humanity has grown to a certain level, where on a socio-psychic level, we know that not all of us need to mate in order to maintain our species, thereby encouraging some of us to consider different lifestyle options.

i think it's very irresponsible for anyone to think they understand the delicate inner-workings of our minds, and to then make suppositions that have massive implications on the lives of others.

Edited by ToyMan, 26 June 2003 - 11:14 AM.

[Adamantiumwulf]

So you made a conscious decision to only have sex with women? When did you do that?

Yes I did. When I did I couldn't say but I also couldn't say what I did on my 10th birthday. When I first decided I liked Chinese food. Can you remember all the choices you made in your life?

Are you saying that you haven't chosen to only sleep with women?

It's easy to choose NOT to do something you don't want to do. I don't want to shoot myself in the head, so I don't. Gee, that was a pretty easy one.

Do you want to go to work today? Do you want to Pay your bills? Do you want to eat today? Do you want to keep going to school and get a degree? Do you want to be alive?

How many people would answer no to one or more of those questions but still go on doing it?

But what if you really wanted to do something? What if you had some type of internal drive? Isn't that what happened to you with girls? One day they were gross, and you didn't want to have anything to do with them. Then all of a sudden you were interested. Did you choose to be interested?

If you really want to do something you make a choice and hopefully take into consideration cause and effect.
You have urges for some types of food don't you? You saying that you always do what these urges push you towards?
So you aren't capable of deciding on who you wanted to like?

You can't choose which girl/boy to like then? it is preprogrammed that you will or won't like them?

You choose who and what you are interested in. It isn't preprogrammed. We aren't freaking computers that can only understand 1 and 0's. We make choices based on our surroundings and what we think is best.

I resisted those sexual urges for girls/women for 22 years. So not being able to put down the urges is doesn't apply. I made a choice to wait and I stuck to my guns and did.

Edited by Adamantiumwulf, 26 June 2003 - 11:57 AM.

[ToyMan]

how long did it take you to get your master's degrees in sociology and psychology?

[Beligerant1]

Whether you believe in evolution or creationism, both theories realize that nature requires the propagation of the species. Homosexuality does not do that.

Can you find examples in nature of homosexuality? Nope, they don't exist.

what about cancer, that doesnt do anything for the propagation of the species and i dont think we have too much choice about that.

Actually you can find plenty of examples of homosexuality in nature, your neighborhood never had that one dog that always humped the other male dogs? In biology 101 we were given an example of a certain type of beetle in wich their mates were picked based on size (the male beetles were attracted to the larger females) it was also based on competition (to spread those genes and propogate the species). Well, the females in this species would have sex with each other (a smaller one and a larger one) or as close as it comes with two female beetles, to attract males that would knock off the smaller beetle and have sex with the larger female. Ever notice how guys dont have as much of a problem with hot lesbians as they do with gay men? So that at least goes a little way to explain why homosexuality cannot be dismissed as a uniqulely human behavior, and also how it helps propagate the species.