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[plasticfiend]

http://www.ign.com/a...ptain-america-3

 

 

Check it out... CIVIL WAR, BABY!!!

 

 

PF

[ironmask]

Man, Civil War was such utter nonsense. What a meaningless story, and ham-fisted attempt at allegory.

Marvel won't sell me another movie ticket, until they do Superior Spider-Man.

[Behemoth]

I saw a few Civil War comics and wondered what was going on? Then it was gone. Marvel lost me once it started an alternate universe twice a year. 

[ironmask]

Dark Reign, and The Siege were pretty good... But I am a Norman Osborn guy. The start of the "Heroic Age" initiative brought a whole new level of event fatigue and bullshit stunt writing, and I just can't back it. Superior Spider-Man was golden, but aside from that, I don't buy ANY Marvel titles anymore. 

[plasticfiend]

Civil War had great moments... And a good build up. Just a shit ending that made you wonders why did they even bother. But I would like to think that they could really trim the fat and hopefully remove some of the issues. After all as we have seen time and time again... The movie will take many liberties and maybe in this case it will be for the best.


PF

[ironmask]

See, I thought Civil War really didn't accomplish anything.It was a big event with a blowoff ending, and nothing f**king changed. It literally affected nothing, aside from Goliath dying.Tony and Steve get along again, Reed Richards is not reviled by anybody... It's like Hulk is the only character that remembers how shitty they were, and he was off-planet at the time! WTF?

Secret Invasion was a crock of shit, too. At least Dark Reign gave us a year of completely different takes on books, AND The Siege not only blew off the story in a satisfying way, but there were lasting ramifications to the whole deal. 

Civil War, bah. Don't even get me started on Peter Parking coming out as Spider-Man, and Marvel completely whiffing on all of the stories that they could have told about "The entire world knowing Peter Parker's secret", and the dynamic between Peter and Tony Stark  afterwards (Pete's feelings of betrayal after Goliath died, Tony feeling like Parker sold him out). Civil War was well-drawn vomit residue.

[thenerdieststore]

lol I am another Civil war hater. I am a huge comic buff and I feel like Marvel has been dropping the ball on organized cross overs since Annihilation. I think the Spidey restart was my first real hater moment in comic history.

[SubwayRats]

Civil war was good for a marvel event. Their have been worse and better then any even DC has done. This movie thing was coming.

[ironmask]

See, that's the thing... why are the events even necessary? Small ones that crossover a few titles, sure. Present a theme that arches through all of the books? Maybe. But a whole company wide crossover? F**k, man, the Marvel Universe USA has been decimated like fourteen times in the last ten years. New York City hasn't even been rebuilt from the last event, when they are drawing it being destroyed again.

 

To hell with that shit, I'll just read Invincible. At least that shit is entertaining.

[Ericnilla]

See, I thought Civil War really didn't accomplish anything.It was a big event with a blowoff ending, and nothing f**king changed. It literally affected nothing, aside from Goliath dying.Tony and Steve get along again, Reed Richards is not reviled by anybody... It's like Hulk is the only character that remembers how shitty they were, and he was off-planet at the time! WTF?

Secret Invasion was a crock of shit, too. At least Dark Reign gave us a year of completely different takes on books, AND The Siege not only blew off the story in a satisfying way, but there were lasting ramifications to the whole deal. 

Civil War, bah. Don't even get me started on Peter Parking coming out as Spider-Man, and Marvel completely whiffing on all of the stories that they could have told about "The entire world knowing Peter Parker's secret", and the dynamic between Peter and Tony Stark  afterwards (Pete's feelings of betrayal after Goliath died, Tony feeling like Parker sold him out). Civil War was well-drawn vomit residue.

Yeah I liked it too.

[thenerdieststore]

See, that's the thing... why are the events even necessary? Small ones that crossover a few titles, sure. Present a theme that arches through all of the books? Maybe. But a whole company wide crossover? F**k, man, the Marvel Universe USA has been decimated like fourteen times in the last ten years. New York City hasn't even been rebuilt from the last event, when they are drawing it being destroyed again.

 

To hell with that shit, I'll just read Invincible. At least that shit is entertaining.

 

lol at least in Annihilation, they were destroying stuff that didnt exist

[plasticfiend]

See, I thought Civil War really didn't accomplish anything.It was a big event with a blowoff ending, and nothing f**king changed. It literally affected nothing, aside from Goliath dying.Tony and Steve get along again, Reed Richards is not reviled by anybody... It's like Hulk is the only character that remembers how shitty they were, and he was off-planet at the time! WTF?
Secret Invasion was a crock of shit, too. At least Dark Reign gave us a year of completely different takes on books, AND The Siege not only blew off the story in a satisfying way, but there were lasting ramifications to the whole deal. 
Civil War, bah. Don't even get me started on Peter Parking coming out as Spider-Man, and Marvel completely whiffing on all of the stories that they could have told about "The entire world knowing Peter Parker's secret", and the dynamic between Peter and Tony Stark  afterwards (Pete's feelings of betrayal after Goliath died, Tony feeling like Parker sold him out). Civil War was well-drawn vomit residue.

I agree with the whole ending being shit lol... That's why I said so. I think that is the problem with these things across the board - there may be MOMENTS in the story that are really cool. The frustrating things is that there never are any real ramifications for the story and nothing sticks. I think I would be ok with events EVEN the bad ones... If they would just commit. Stick with the continuity. Stop rest conning everything.

Spider-Man is a perfect example. I didn't love the way they had him reveal his identity, but that moment was a cool "holy shit" moment. The problem is, story wise and continuity wise they were painting themselves into a corner... And they had to go back and undo it. Which is what made it sooooooo effing frustrating. They should have known better.

At the end of the day it's not the events that I mind... It's the aftermath. Because they never have any lasting impact.

Maybe we, as readers need to adjust our expectations... And just know going in that there is no big impact for these story lines. We should just assume that they are glorified mini-series and that they are a story outside of cannon. Or maybe we should just say there is no such thing as cannon anymore because there is nothing that is done that can't be UNDONE story wise. So it's no longer about the larger continuity, but just... Enjoy the ride. Like a one night stand. But with comics. But longer than one night. Or something.


PF

I'm still excited about seeing it on film though... Lol...


PF

[SubwayRats]

Marvel always going to do these events. And so is everyone else. Why? Because we buy and complain and buy.. Lol. Either way it could be entertaining in the film and will watch it. I just hope they don't bring characters like superior spiderman, new warriors, cause that stuff was just bad. Period.

[ironmask]

Superior Spider-Man is the best thing to happen to Marvel Comics since The Siege. 

[plasticfiend]

I like the whole Superior Spider-Man because I applaud the audacity of it. I mean it's very international too... But it was ballsy. For a company doesn't really do ballsy... Or at least stick with anything for too long. Inevitably they will bring Everying back status quo, but in the mean time it's pretty cool.


PF

[ironmask]

It was very balls-out and in your face. I loved when he was in 2099 (and for the "#32/#33" issues). SpidOck is my favorite Marvel hero since Sleepwalker and Norman Osborn's Iron Patriot.