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#1 GM4WALLS

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 11:42 AM

Not sure if there are records of actual production numbers of series 1, 2 & 3, but it is apparent some beasts are much more readily available then others. It seems that Sledge Hammer Elephant is in every single lot I see for sale. Hell, I ended up with three last week alone.

I am sure the least common beast (not counting Laser Beasts) has to be a third series character. Personally I had a hard time locating the Rooster when I put together my first set, and have yet to score a second one to date.

So there is my input (opinion based solely). The most plentiful and readily available character to me is Sledge Hammer Elephant and the least commonly found would be Rowdy Rooster. What's you opinion?
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Posted 22 June 2014 - 12:00 PM

Ironically sledge is the second beast I ever got lol I see a few roosters on ebay but none of them are complete. I know series 3 is the rarer ones but closer to the end of that number. 


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 03:20 PM

most of series three is harder to find.

 

For me rooster , penguin, and pig are my favorites. and then, the shark, carp, gorrilla

 

hardest to find would be the pixilated pointer, and bludgening bulldog. for me anyway

 

I seem to have like 5 giraffes, so he might be the easyest


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 03:59 PM

I know a lot of figures have been more scare in the past because of army builders hoarding them. Which in party raised their prices on them.

Carp, Penguin, Hare...
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Posted 22 June 2014 - 05:11 PM

I second giraffe, he's everywhere.  For me the last beast I got from the 1st 3 series was the pig.  He still seems to pop up rather infrequently from my ebay searches.


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 05:25 PM

I still havn't completed series 2 yet - I think I am missing the Jaguar, armadillio and at least one other one. In terms of easiest to find mine seems to be the triple threat snake, he seems to be in almost every group lot I have purchased.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 05:30 AM

title is a bit misleading; should read "most common" or something but I'll go with it. ;)

 

I think it's pretty acceptable to assume that S3 figures are all harder to come by simply because they didn't see as many production runs that S1 and S2 had (there are multiple versions for S1/S2 cardbacks) and because they were sold in 8-packs instead of 2-packs, meaning they had a higher price point and probably didn't have the cheap impulse purchase benefit (this is pure speculation, but makes sense to me) Since the line had an overall shelf life of around a year in the US, I don't think there was any time when any series was totally phased out to make room for the newer ones, and I believe they continued making S1 & S2 even after S3 was released.

 

Regarding specific figures within each series, Eric is right that certain figures are harder to get due to army building (like Roland13's Shark collection; anyone know if that stayed in tact after he sold everything?) but at most I think that would have a minor overall impact. It makes them harder to get cheaper on the market, but shouldn't have anything to do with how often they turn up for sale or in lots.

 

I think the frequency for any particular figure in your own experience is mostly due to luck of the draw, which is why the responses so far have been mostly varied. Just to use the Rooster as an example, I've had four of them in my Sale/Trade thread over the past two years, and I believe only one elephant (if any).

 

And it seems worth mentioning, because I think most people don't know this, but the Camel wasn't released in Japan (and I still don't know why)


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 04:02 PM

(like Roland13's Shark collection; anyone know if that stayed in tact after he sold everything?)

 

Have a look at the collection of our friend ShadowBat ;) 

 

For the rest there´s not a lot to ad here since the rareness among the BB is mainly based upon the division in Series as mentioned before. All figures should´ve been produced in the same amounts so its just a matter of coincidence some figs might seem more easy to find than others. It becomes another thing when you keep their weapons in mind because some of the specific weapons for some beasts are so fragile that some of those are hard to find these days simple because most of them didn´t withstand the test of time and ended up broken in a trash bin.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 08:14 PM

 All figures should´ve been produced in the same amounts so its just a matter of coincidence some figs might seem more easy to find than others.

 

Well in theory they should have been produced in the same amounts! Has there ever been a case find of carded battle beasts?  It could be worked out by looking at the assortment number on the cards but if we don't know how many shipped per box it may be difficult.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 02:54 PM

Well in theory they should have been produced in the same amounts! Has there ever been a case find of carded battle beasts?  It could be worked out by looking at the assortment number on the cards but if we don't know how many shipped per box it may be difficult.

 

To clarify, my note on the same amounts is obviously in relation to the 3 Series because it can be clear that there are much more Serie 1 BB out in the world than there are Serie 3. So what I mean is that there should be an even amount of beasts out there within Serie 1, 2 and 3, or at least close. 


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:03 PM

To clarify, my note on the same amounts is obviously in relation to the 3 Series because it can be clear that there are much more Serie 1 BB out in the world than there are Serie 3. So what I mean is that there should be an even amount of beasts out there within Serie 1, 2 and 3, or at least close. 

 

Right, but has there ever been a case find of sealed cards? For example with transformers some were short packed ie: in a shipping case there were 2 hounds, 2 Jazz but only 1 each of trailbreaker and wheeljack. So in shipping case of carded BB's there may have been a couple of duplicate cards? I'm just speculating and throwing it out there.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 05:12 AM

Right, but has there ever been a case find of sealed cards? For example with transformers some were short packed ie: in a shipping case there were 2 hounds, 2 Jazz but only 1 each of trailbreaker and wheeljack. So in shipping case of carded BB's there may have been a couple of duplicate cards? I'm just speculating and throwing it out there.

 

Sadly enough, as far as I know, there´ve been no reports of fully sealed cases so this will remain a big question-mark. I get your point though and I agree with the fact that if we´ve this kind of specific info it´d be much easier to determine the equal amount of Beasts out there. If we look at the Japanese counter boxes for instance (store display ones) the BB box held 36 single boxes Beastformers so there is no way there could´ve been an even amount of Serie 1 Beasts (28 in total) in there. But this doesn´t mean that another box was holding the missing ones from this box and so on. There were also ´refill´ cartridges for these that held 12 loose boxes so again an number that doesn´t make a lot of sense from the perspective of even numbers. So to have a real clue of the division this idea of a sealed case would only work on the level of a sealed case holding a multitude of these counter displays and they´d have to be all checked. So it might be possible that this is only something that would be able to check in huge amounts and even than it´ll remain a question probably. Some goes for the ones released on card in the US and in Europe because those are packaged with 2 on a card meaning there´d be 14 card combinations only in order to have the 28 figs but its known that there was a variety of figures combined on the card so even here is a gap when it comes to even numbers and whether or not they´d have been balanced out evenly over a much wider amount or whether some figures simple were produced more and thus packaged together with other beasts on a card more often. As interesting as it all is I´m afraid we wont get far since the facts we´d need for it are simply untraceable (doesn´t mean I wont try though ;)) but for now I´m afraid it´ll remain a speculation.....   


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 05:41 AM

I have noticed a higher frequency of White Leos when I see Japanese boxed stuff turn up, like that partially-full display that went on YAJ like a year ago had something like 5 C-box Leos out of 20 or so.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 02:00 PM

As a long time Joe collector I know that Hasbro has a long standing habit of limiting certain figures in case assortment. That is why I was questioning the production numbers of each figure. Obviously figure variants are harder to find as well. Black vs. purple mole as an example. I posted that the Rooster was seemingly elusive for me the first time I built the basic collection and how it seemed extra difficult to obtain this time around as well, and suddenly they seemed to be readily available on eBay. The pig, sloth and pointer were three others that I had some difficulty finding this time that were easy last time around.
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Posted 25 June 2014 - 02:08 PM

As a long time Joe collector I know that Hasbro has a long standing habit of limiting certain figures in case assortment. That is why I was questioning the production numbers of each figure. Obviously figure variants are harder to find as well. Black vs. purple mole as an example. I posted that the Rooster was seemingly elusive for me the first time I built the basic collection and how it seemed extra difficult to obtain this time around as well, and suddenly they seemed to be readily available on eBay. The pig, sloth and pointer were three others that I had some difficulty finding this time that were easy last time around.

 

Oh I feel you completely. Collecting Joes is not a fun game in anyway because of Hasbro and their dirty practices. I think we luck out in the case of BB from what I am seeing. I believe it is mainly because of the release of the Takara and Hasbro lines in almost equal quantity. Hasbro became way more notorious with the case assortment things around 97 when the Real American Hero revivial line came into play in Toys R Us.

 

From what I am guessing, I believe it has to do with the original cancelation of Joes in 1994 and then the train wreck of Sgt. Savage sales. I believe it is that because their actions as a company drastically changed in that time frame so I assume that they must have gotten a new board of directors or some crazyness along those lines. We have been getting screwed ever since.

 

We should be fine with BB. It seems that because of Takara's market, the US and parts of Europe, all of these toys are in a huge abundance. Plus, Takara does not seem to hate their fans... like a certain Hasbro lol


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 03:03 PM

I know years ago a bunch of carded BBs went up on ebay, not sure if they were from a case, but they could have. Not sure if anyone here on the board cataloged the auctions.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 05:24 PM

Sadly enough, as far as I know, there´ve been no reports of fully sealed cases so this will remain a big question-mark. I get your point though and I agree with the fact that if we´ve this kind of specific info it´d be much easier to determine the equal amount of Beasts out there. If we look at the Japanese counter boxes for instance (store display ones) the BB box held 36 single boxes Beastformers so there is no way there could´ve been an even amount of Serie 1 Beasts (28 in total) in there. But this doesn´t mean that another box was holding the missing ones from this box and so on. There were also ´refill´ cartridges for these that held 12 loose boxes so again an number that doesn´t make a lot of sense from the perspective of even numbers. So to have a real clue of the division this idea of a sealed case would only work on the level of a sealed case holding a multitude of these counter displays and they´d have to be all checked. So it might be possible that this is only something that would be able to check in huge amounts and even than it´ll remain a question probably. Some goes for the ones released on card in the US and in Europe because those are packaged with 2 on a card meaning there´d be 14 card combinations only in order to have the 28 figs but its known that there was a variety of figures combined on the card so even here is a gap when it comes to even numbers and whether or not they´d have been balanced out evenly over a much wider amount or whether some figures simple were produced more and thus packaged together with other beasts on a card more often. As interesting as it all is I´m afraid we wont get far since the facts we´d need for it are simply untraceable (doesn´t mean I wont try though ;)) but for now I´m afraid it´ll remain a speculation.....   

Yeah tracking the takara case assortments would be super difficult- I remember that case bachamn mentions, it did have several lions -  the Hasbro carded ones would be much easier to track. I thought series one had 14 combinations and the rest .....well more? :lol:   I havn't really looked at carded BB's before.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 05:21 AM

Yeah I know both S1 and S2 2-packs came paired both chronologically and randomly, though the "random" pairings seem to be limited to one other non-chronological figure, e.g. Octopus/Chameleon is a combo I've seen quite a lot, maybe even more than Chameleon/Kangaroo (chronological pairing), but I've not seen the Chameleon paired with any other figures.

 

<speculation>

Of course this could be due to the fact that anyone trying to complete a MOC set of BB's would only be going after the chronologically paired cards, thus making them more difficult to obtain.

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So that complicates things, however I've never paid enough attention so I'm unsure if they also did this with the S3 8-pack boxes or if those all had predetermined groupings.


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