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#1 Biffard

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:16 AM

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MUSCLE classification provided by General Veers: http://blog.uofmuscl...de-peer-review/

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There are a total of 140 known Class A figures. Breakdown by color is as follows:

Purple = 29 Figures

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Red = 25 Figures

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Salmon = 21 Figures

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Dark Blue = 18 Figures

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Magenta = 17

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Green = 16 Figures

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Light Blue = 14

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Orange = 0


Edited by Biffard, 07 October 2013 - 06:52 AM.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:52 AM

My first post is still being validated but I think I have them all. Would a moderator please pin this in the MUSCLE section? It makes it so much easier to check ebay auctions when we have this info available and easy to access.

 

Thanks!


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:59 PM

Epic!

Great job Biffard!
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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:20 PM

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:26 PM

Sweet!
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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:17 PM

Great work! Isnt Red 85 a class A figure too? And also Magenta 134?

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:04 AM

Great effort. Don't think 27p, 39p, 101p, 134p are class A though, are they?


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 12:35 AM

I think there are many differing opinions on which figures are Class A and which are not.

 

I happen to think the purple figures 68, 104, 125, 131, 133, 134, 135, 136, 139, 140 are Class A (due to every single one of these I have ever seen resided in a Canadian lot) whereas others believe their Magenta counterparts are Class A

 

That is just 1 example......

 

Although this is a great idea and nice work, which figures are Class A figures are not set in stone for easy reference


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:57 AM

As far as Class A classification goes, I am a firm believer that the 'science' behind the cracking of the MUSCLE colour code and the recognition of probable 'trees' that figures came from should form the basis of classification.

 

"I found that figure really hard to get and hardly ever see it" is not reason enough to call it a Class A. Yes, it may coincidentally BE a Class A, but I think we have to be cautious when 'deciding' to just upgrade figures to Class A based on one or two people's say-so.

 

And downgrading figures carries the same risks. Remember that if you decide to downgrade (or upgrade) a figure then, logically, should you not downgrade (or upgrade) every other figure of the same colour on the same tree? Of course you should.

 

Perhaps it's time we considered another form of MUSCLE Database to document what we, the collectors, have.

 

Yes, we have seen it abused in the past but I think we would agree that there's more general information / knowledge of collections nowadays that lying would be made more difficult and, ultimately pointless, should someone decide to go down that path.

 

It's just a thought, but it may help build a more informed community - and we may also begin to see some new patterns emerging...


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:58 AM

Thanks for the comments everyone! 

 

I have validated and edited the Class A figures and my first post is now 99.9% accurate according to General Veers' classification guide. If I have made a mistake, please let me know. 

 

I originally followed a checklist that I thought was accurate but it turns out there were some discrepancies which have now been fixed.

 

I'm glad this sparked a little discussion of whether certain figures should or shouldn't be considered Class A figures. I want this topic to be as accurate as possible, which it currently is based on our available information. In order to make any changes to the Class A figures we need to gather more information somehow and also look at the figure trees for validation.

 

I'll continue to do some research in my spare time but that's been sporadic so it might take a while.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:07 AM

John you took the words right out of my mouth!

 

I think trees are the key to determining Class A classification. My intent is to look through Soupie's MUSCLE archive where the figures are listed by tree and determine which trees and in which colors are Class A figures. I'd also like to see if any figures on Class A trees are currently exempt from Class A status. I probably won't get around to doing this until later this weekend but it should be a good place to start.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:22 AM

I would love to be a part of this, if you needed/wanted to include someone, Biff!

 

Here's an interesting example:

 

http://soupie.little.../PartSeven.html

 

check out Part 7/Tree 4 - it shows that 002p, 100p, 101p, 102p are 'uncommon'. 

 

It's generally accepted, throughout the community, that 002p is a Class A figure, right? Well if this tree is correct then so too are 100/101/102 in their purple variants.

 

They are either ALL Class A or none of them are!

 

And of course it all depends on our understanding/interpretation of 'Class A'

 

These are actually 4 very interesting figures because, over the years, I have had some trouble with collecting any of them in purple - they were always quite hard to find!

 

Is it because 002p is more desirable (because he's Terri-Bul/Buffalloman) that he has been singled out?

 

Is he really rarer than 100p/101p/102, or is he just as rare (but more desirable), or is the tree possibly wrong.....?


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 08:11 AM

That is exactly the type of information I was hoping to bring to light. It would stand to reason that if 002p is a Class A then all purple figures on that tree should be Class A as well. I have a feeling that there will be a lot of discrepancies similar to this.

 

I'd love to have your help and anyone else's that wants to work on this. I'll see if I can come up with a easy spreadsheet to track current Class A figures and their non-Class A tree counterparts.

 

I'd also like to get some input from General Veers since he probably ran into these questions in the past.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:36 PM

Biffard, on musclefigures.com I counted 140 different class A figures. But I love how you put them all on the same page.
Check out that site and see if it helps.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 09:55 PM

Why should a figure being desired, more than others, ever factor in to a "classification guide" anyway?
Like the purple claw selling for so much more than the other purple figs from the same tree, when it probably shows up more than some of the others.
It just seems to me that a "classification guide" should place an A, B, C label on the figs based on rarity alone.
The desirability factor would only come into play if it were a "price guide".
If the amount someone is willing to pay for a fig can help determine it's class, instead of just it's rarity/number known in existence.
Then any color 153 should be considered a class A well before, say, a 179 salmon.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:34 AM

Biffard, on musclefigures.com I counted 140 different class A figures. But I love how you put them all on the same page.
Check out that site and see if it helps.

Thanks! I did a quick comparison and I think my first post is on par with that site and Veer's guide now! 


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:44 AM

Why should a figure being desired, more than others, ever factor in to a "classification guide" anyway?
Like the purple claw selling for so much more than the other purple figs from the same tree, when it probably shows up more than some of the others.
It just seems to me that a "classification guide" should place an A, B, C label on the figs based on rarity alone.
The desirability factor would only come into play if it were a "price guide".
If the amount someone is willing to pay for a fig can help determine it's class, instead of just it's rarity/number known in existence.
Then any color 153 should be considered a class A well before, say, a 179 salmon.

 I agree with this. I think desirability should be excluded from any type of classification. Otherwise, a Satan Cross could be considered a Class A and we already know that he is a fairly common figure that shows up on ebay several times a month.

 

The difficult part for re-organizing the classification would be gathering accurate data on which figures are truly "Class A". Another difficulty would be re-defining what constitutes a Class A, B, and C figure.

 

However, don't take this post too literally because I am not recommending we re-define Veer's classification guide. I want to better understand Class A figures based on trees before we even talk about removing/adding figures to the current guide.

 

Re-defining the entire A,B, & C classification structure is something I probably don't want to take on as a project.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 06:32 AM

I'm with you guys.  Class should be based on level of difficulty to FIND without price/want level factored in.  If there is some way to clearly identify which figures were only originally sold in Canada then I think that would work.  If people want a price check/want factor, I suggest they watch Ebay and research Veers' numerous Auction Watches. 


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:24 PM

 If people want a price check/want factor, I suggest they watch Ebay and research Veers' numerous Auction Watches. 

I say we make a "Price Guide" that shows the value of every Class A figure to be $5.

 

Just for all those jerks that only join the board so that we can tell them which of their figs they can overcharge for on ebay.

 

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 05:52 AM

I say we make a "Price Guide" that shows the value of every Class A figure to be $5.

 

Just for all those jerks that only join the board so that we can tell them which of their figs they can overcharge for on ebay.

 

:devil:  :devil:  :devil:  :devil:

 

That is one of the reasons the other pinned thread in M.U.S.C.L.E. is for IMO.  Instead of asking, they can click on that, and read the part I mention about checking Veers' area.  If people still ask, then I say we paste a link in their question thread to that pinned thread.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:32 AM

That is one of the reasons the other pinned thread in M.U.S.C.L.E. is for IMO. Instead of asking, they can click on that, and read the part I mention about checking Veers' area. If people still ask, then I say we paste a link in their question thread to that pinned thread.

Yeah, I was just being ornery, with that comment.

I think just posting them your link, as you've done in the past, is the best option.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 08:05 AM

The only thing that could make this list better is if the pics had the numbers in them.or by them .. other then that, this thing is gonna help alot.


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#24 Biffard

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

If you hover over the pic it should show the number.
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#25 Matlock

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 04:23 PM

If you hover over the pic it should show the number.


Awe snap !! good call !!
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