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#1 susha

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 01:39 AM

This is what i do:

btw, your better off leaving the broken plastic inside the arm socket if u have the option, as the plastic is much softer and .. penetrable. 

otherwise consider putting a substitute the plastic the chest is made off is much harder to pierce with just a needle.

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Edited by susha, 24 May 2016 - 03:25 AM.

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 04:26 AM

This solution as well the glue one works well as long as it is for repairing figs that stay within your own collection because sometimes figs like these, with invisible arm repairs, show up in larger lots or they´re sold individually and than it is quite frustrating to find out the figure you got has a repaired arm meaning its not really in the original state anymore. So repairs are ok as long as you´ll mention this fix up in case you ever decide to sell or trade it in the future. But that´s directly the problem because its almost an invisible fix and you´ll only find out when you try to pull the arm out so its often and issue that becomes forgotten resulting in the fact they end up being sold or traded as is without a notification...... 

 

Keep this in mind but for the rest it looks like a clean repair and thanks for saving another Beast! ;)


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#3 susha

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 07:33 AM

With ebays unfriendly policy towards sellers I,d be a veritable village fool if I omitted such details. Anyways if I ever do sell this guy i could actually use these photos on ebay to show the condition.

I'm rather new to selling on ebay but sold just 2 weeks ago a custom painted tf which had a broken waist. I obviously stated it the description and haven't received a complaint. Regardless, I'd be more careful about dodgy ebayer accounts than established sellers whom, as far as I've seen, often do more than necessary to insure a good review, affirming the importance buyers give to rep nowadays. As to lots I'm afraid thats a risk that comes with the game, not that I wouldn't mention it in the description at the very least and show the figure without the arm in the pic, but considering bb lots are often below the market price of each figure summed I can't honestly say that I'd give a negative review to the seller just because of it. I'm not saying in any way that i would btw (I'm not even selling it ;) ) rather that the issue is rather peripheral to the restoration. What i mean is that the ethics of the seller shouldn't determine the work of the restorer. Ofc they can be the same person but the restoration technique isn't responsible for the seller being.. Well, a dick!

I don't disagree with you as to the risks of ebay (well maybe the scope) but Aside from architectonic Restoration where showing a visible difference between the 2k old wall and the new part is essential, restoration must have as an established aim a closest possible representation to the original. What 'restorer' would begin any venture with such standards as aim? And how would you be able to show the original dmg and not further deteriorate the figure? Besides restoration that preserves damage is.. Well not restoration. Like palaces in London that maintain WW2 bomb scars.

Also using this technique prevents from further damaging the figure and leaves all the original material available for the future while glue might (or might not) have some long term effect on the plastic. I have no knowledge on chemical reactions to plastic (or chemistry in general) and or gum but i'd wager glue has a high acidity, that might corrode with time ( lots). There is extensive research from vintage collectors on techniques to remove/repair 'browning' from old plastic toys, however it seems that this often accelerates the plastics deterioration. I'm aware that plastic/gum should behave differently but removing something from an old object (any) often results in a weakening of its structure and faster deterioration and when adding something one should always be cautious if they're not fully aware of the chemical reactions.

Moreover the pin is easily removable and not permanent and makes the arm fully articulable (within its orig. parameters)
Not too shabby don't u think?
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 10:37 AM

All true but the fact is that the figure isn´t in the original undamaged state anymore and that´s what counts these days when it comes to vintage items or toys like the Battle Beasts. Condition is everything these days so once you think you´ve finally found a figure in decent condition, knowing all figs that´re not inside the original sealed packaging anymore are somehow played it with or show signs of storage, it´d be a bummer to find out the arm is broken. But that´s just my two cents.


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Posted 24 May 2016 - 05:37 PM

I'm sorry I don't get it.

are you saying they shouldn't be repaired at all?

or that glue is better?

or that they should only be repaired with functional arms?

About which, aren't unbroken loose arms rather rare? At best wouldn't that imply removing the functioning arm of a bb with an already broken arm?


Edited by susha, 24 May 2016 - 05:40 PM.

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 12:26 AM

I think the point was that repairs are great so long as they don't get forgot about, mixed up with other beasts or used to deceive people. I could certainly echo these sentiments as the one lot of beasts I purchased on eBay years ago had two beasts repaired in a similar fashion. Whether the seller forgot that they had repaired them, was outright deceptive and knew to get more money or honestly didn't know, I couldn't say. I didn't realize or notice until months after the purchase at which point I had no recourse. At the end of the day it really didn't matter to me what the sellers intentions were, I just knew I was out the money and stuck with a pair of broken beasts. That sucked.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 02:52 AM

and you would blame a mechanic for the actions of a drunk driver????

Btw, the solution isn't excellent at load bearing, hence unless its holding something that sustains itself on the ground you cant have it wielding a sword above its head. Moreover, the arm can come off (and on) very easily. What I mean to say is that whoever you delt with was .. Well disonest. there is no way you wouldn't notice picking up a figure repaired like so.
Ironically enough when i recieved this figure (2 years ago) and found out the arm had broken during expedition I notified the seller (an official ebay battle beast seller from whom i bought a fig. Last month) who provided me free of cost with a new fig and didn't ask for this one back.

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 03:46 AM

If a wheel fell off I would, in part. Especially if the mechanic is the drunk driver. Or if the mechanic willingly withheld information on said defective wheel. Maybe the mechanic handed the drunk his keys...

I don't think anyone was 'blaming the mechanic' here.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 03:50 AM

knightlightbulb was my seller cant be sure as it was two years ago) and he did right by me. 


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Posted 25 May 2016 - 05:50 AM

Screamer perfectly explained my concern in his first reply so I´m with him on this one obviously.

 

It´s clear none is blaming the repair as good or as bad as it might be done it´s the awareness of it so that we, as a community, should as much as possible raise awareness for that fact that although these repairs grant the figure an extended life they´re not suitable for all of us anymore. So instead of looking for someone to blame here I think we all agree on the fact that if such a repair is done or if you know the figure has such an issue please mention in the moment it becomes part of a deal so that the other person wont be disappointed when he or she finds out the arm is either glued on and not moving at all or its rotating with the help of a needle or whatever that´s not able to hold the position correctly as you´d have wished/expected. Again these are old figures and its important they´re preserved and passed on to fellow collectors in their most original state and if that´s with a repair and you know of it, which most collectors will assuming they carefully check their incoming or outgoing figures, please make a note of it. That´s all...


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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:26 AM

if such a repair is done or if you know the figure has such an issue please mention in the moment it becomes part of a deal so that the other person wont be disappointed when he or she finds out the arm is either glued on and not moving at all or its rotating with the help of a needle or whatever that´s not able to hold the position correctly as.


Actually about this. With a pin the arm can be removed and put back on with minimum effort and time, making it rather simple to make a pic of it without the arm, while with glue this wouldnt be possible (or would ruin the figure). Not beating the dead horse, just saying .. Well yeah i already said it didn't I? :)

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