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[jason76basin]

Question guys. Recently I sold sealed muscle items on eBay to Puerto Rico. The buyer is saying now when he gets them they have been reaealed and he's done it 20years he knows resealing blah blah. My worry is he will send back tampered with items now. I know they weren't resealed as I got them from a very very picky collector. My question is.....should I just let this dude send the stuff back for a refund? I'm thinking I may as well because eBay would side with him anyway right guys? I'm just worried this dude is gonna try to swindle me out of toys or money OR BOTH.

[ironmask]

I mean, I have had a suspicion that there's been somebody sending resealed packs into the market, for a while now. I wouldn't be surprised if this assclown has something to do with it.

[Ericnilla]

that's a tough decision. You can call ebay and tell them what is going on before he even makes more of a stink. If you have pics of what you sent you can refund the money and just use the pics to make sure you get what you sent back.

did you send him 4-packs or what~?

[jason76basin]

Like I'm doing it? Hahaha

[jason76basin]

So eBay would be understanding to my side you think Eric? I always know in the past the basically screw sellers and always side with a buyer

[SmokinGun]

Sounds like this guy is playing you out. I wouldnt do buisness with that guy. Period.

[jason76basin]

Sold to him. Its too late to not deal with him now

[PlasticSoul]

I think iron meant the other guy might be the one sealing stuff again not you.

What you need to do is CALL ebay. No messages or e-mails or anything. Get on the PHONE and explain everything and see what they say. They will look at all your messages back and forth and all the history on both accounts then tell you what your options are. Screw what the buyer wants. I would imagine he just wanted to see what was inside the cans for free.

[jason76basin]

I shall call them tomorrow. I'm basically worried about losing out to a scammer overseas

[jason76basin]

I mean, I have had a suspicion that there's been somebody sending resealed packs into the market, for a while now. I wouldn't be surprised if this assclown has something to do with it.

So you seriously suspect somebody is pumping them into the wilderness? This seller/buyer would be from Puerto rico though

[jkaris]

A resealed 4-pack or a resealed 10 pack?
I can see someone resealing a 4 pack but resealing 10 packs would be a very expensive proposition.

[jason76basin]

He was saying the 4packs I sent him had been resealed.....although I did also send 3 sealed cans as well

Edited by jason76basin, 12 December 2012 - 10:08 PM.

[jason76basin]

that's a tough decision. You can call ebay and tell them what is going on before he even makes more of a stink. If you have pics of what you sent you can refund the money and just use the pics to make sure you get what you sent back.

did you send him 4-packs or what~?

just saw you asked a question, sent him 3 4packs and 3 10pack cans.

[Foxman]

Sad fact is, eBay is a scammers paradise now... With our screwed up economy, there are getting to be more and more full-time ebay scam artists and eBay has let them have the run of the place. They almost ALWAYS come from the BUYING end since eBay works 100% in their favor. Anyways...

If I were you, I would take it as yet another expensive ebay lesson (can't get too many of those lately, right?).

1. Always take several High-Rez pics; Hopefully you did and if he tries to send you back some super-glued piece of junk with different figures in it, you can report him for sending back a different item. eBay will do something about it... or so they say.

2. Mention that EVERYTHING you sell is being sold in "AS IS CONDITION". You must sell EVERYTHING AS-IS ON EBAY NOW. EVERYTHING. EVEN IF IT IS 100% MINT. (I know, I'm yelling now... sorry). That way they can't "discover" ANY reason to ask for a discount or try to swap out one of their crappy items for your good one.

3. Never EVER use the word MINT in a LISTING. Even if it is absolutely MINT. Why? Nothing is "mint" to a scam artist. They will always try to find a flaw, defect or reason to get a discount after they win an auction or try to return it on your dime after they have "borrowed" it.

My philosophy with FeePay now is that -- when being the victim of an outright scam, just let them leave you a negative if it comes to that. Report them and state what they did in THEIR FEEDBACK in an intelligent, respectful manor. The way I see it, the less people give in, the more it will make them want to move on. Plus they won't get ANYTHING and will have to go through a major hassle for nothing. And I think that having a NEGATIVE or two that clearly shows you aren't going to put up with being ripped-off, will keep the other scammers away. I've personally ran into a few who LOOK for certain stuff to complain about and their feedback shows it.

At any rate, don't let it ruin your holidays. Anyone who is that big of a TURD over a pack of M.U.S.C.L.E. figures, is clearly a big enough LOSER to need them a LOT more than you do.

Oh and if you would like, please post his FeePay user ID. I will definitely BLOCK him and maybe a few others will as well.

Edited by Foxman, 12 December 2012 - 11:10 PM.

[jason76basin]

yeah your right, i got screwed pretty hard a couple times selling gpk cards on there. ebay is a buyers scamming paradise for sure. i'm shocked so many people sell on there, i had a bad feeling from the start about this goober, ahh well another expensive lesson about to be learned i suppose

[ironmask]

Jason, I have had my suspicions that somebody has been pumping these new 4 packs into the wild... This guy bragging about it to you, further cements my suspicion that the rash of SC 4 packs that popped up were less than legit. Honestly, it makes me feel like the value of all four packs has become irrelevant.

[Foxman]

Jason, I have had my suspicions that somebody has been pumping these new 4 packs into the wild... This guy bragging about it to you, further cements my suspicion that the rash of SC 4 packs that popped up were less than legit. Honestly, it makes me feel like the value of all four packs has become irrelevant.

If there really were fake 4 packs being put out, it seems that there would be a way to tell them apart from the real ones. There's always something...

The thickness of the cardboard or plastic bubble, printing, alignment, glue pattern... something. It seems that if something were valuable enough to counterfeit (if that IS the case) then it would make the real ones that much more $$$...

[ironoak]

I won one of the SC 4 packs and it is completely legit. All the figures have some blue specks on their backs. The seller told me he got a case of muscle packs in an estate sale. I know meatcutta bought one also and said his was legit as well.

[ironmask]

I won one of the SC 4 packs and it is completely legit. All the figures have some blue specks on their backs. The seller told me he got a case of muscle packs in an estate sale. I know meatcutta bought one also and said his was legit as well.

Nothing in this statement discredits what Veers said.
We're talking about probability and suspicion... No full blown accusations have been made.
For those of us that have been around for longer than a cup of coffee, a lot of sought after figures popping up in one spot all at once? Seems kind of fishy.

[jason76basin]

i just called ebay, they basically gave me the run around, they said they did see where i had no returns listed in my auction and i told them the buyer said he's resealed stuff for 20 years and he knows what it looks like and blah blah blah. they said basically it boils down to a case being opened, and a decision being made. i told them it always seems they side with the buyer, but she said that isn't always true.......so we'll see how this one pans out. i luckily put tracking/insurance/sig confirmation on this item, so that'll have my back somewhat. and iron, i'd say your EXACTLY right, if this guy is an "expert" resealer, and has been doing it 20 years, i'm sure he's pumped some items into the hobby. i even invited the guy to this site, and he wouldn't.

----->princektor55<----- is his ebay name, i would strongly suggest any muscle sellers that are selling sealed items to not do any dealings with this ebay user...he's from puerto rico also by the way.

[ironoak]

Nothing in this statement discredits what Veers said.
We're talking about probability and suspicion... No full blown accusations have been made.
For those of us that have been around for longer than a cup of coffee, a lot of sought after figures popping up in one spot all at once? Seems kind of fishy.

Blue specks to me show they have been sealed since production. I do believe others have stumbled across cases of 4 packs with satan cross packs in them. Not all that far fetched. Actually the fact that he sold a bunch of them to me shows they were in a case.

The proof will be if he starts selling them again. He stated in his last auction that it was his last sealed pack. If he starts selling them again then the red light will go off. From my end comparing to my many other packs it is legit and the specks prove it for me.

[ironmask]

Just because a figure has blue specks, doesn't mean it is from THAT 4-pack. Blue specs are a clear indicator that a figure was included in a 4 pack... But that doesn't mean that it was THAT 4-pack. Furthermore, if the figures are being repacked, they could be picking up the blue specs after the re-seal.
It is feasible, that he could be taking figures that did have the specs, and repackaging them. It still doesn't invalidate the concern that selective repackaging could be a reality. I definitely think this warrants further investigation.

[ironoak]

Just because a figure has blue specks, doesn't mean it is from THAT 4-pack. Blue specs are a clear indicator that a figure was included in a 4 pack... But that doesn't mean that it was THAT 4-pack. Furthermore, if the figures are being repacked, they could be picking up the blue specs after the re-seal.
It is feasible, that he could be taking figures that did have the specs, and repackaging them. It still doesn't invalidate the concern that selective repackaging could be a reality. I definitely think this warrants further investigation.

I see your point and for me it would really suck if these are not real. A lot of us spent some serious cash on these SC 4 packs. I would be game to send mine to someone with experience to examine the pack and see If it is indeed legit.

[ironmask]

I see your point and for me it would really suck if these are not real. A lot of us spent some serious cash on these SC 4 packs. I would be game to send mine to someone with experience to examine the pack and see If it is indeed legit.

I think it could more or less render the value of all 4-packs moot, should it be revealed that there are a bunch of re-sealed 4-packs out there.
I mean, it's counterfeiting, pure and simple. It will drive down the value of pretty much all of the 4-packs, at least until a reliable tell can be determined.