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#1 jkaris

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 07:29 AM

I saw this last night and immediately emailed to guy about it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/...item=6050991890

Turns out, he is the same guy who sold that SHA to Ricardo (Satan+) a year or two ago. He says that it is 100% M.U.S.C.L.E. It'll be interesting to see how high this one goes.
Attached is the pic he sent me last night. At second glance, I thought it was just a kinkeshi (I have a Bombe that is almost the same hue as a MUSCLE), but since this is the same guy that sold the SHA, I am sure it is the next Super Rare.
Simply Amazing! :p

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 07:41 AM

Is it possible, as arforbes has said, that all the sculpts in Parts 1 through 21 were made in Flesh?

I think the steady discovery of Non-poster MUSCLEs indicates that initially -- before the final 233 MUSCLEs were determined -- the molds for all sculpts, 1-21, were used to make Flesh MUSCLEs.

I think this theory -- all sculpts purposefully initially made in Flesh -- explains why no Non-poster sculpts have been found in color, and why SC has not been found with his back half.

If the SRs were a result of accidents/mistakes, we would find colored Super Rares and SCs with his back half.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 07:44 AM

Well, when I saw it last night, I was the 3rd person to view it. Now there are 20, and Alex has a bid in. So, I know Alex has a buyout offer in, (or at least he should, I would have :p ). And I am guessing that there are plenty more in his inbox as well. Hopefully, whoever gets this, whether it be via buyout or auction, will take some crystal clear pics and email them to me. For the record, I have not put in any offers, nor will I bid.

This is sweet! Another super rare!
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 07:46 AM

Yep, there is definitely a buyout offer on it. The seller emailed me saying that he had one.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 08:29 AM

Optimus, did you get this figure from Chambersburg, PA as well?
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 09:52 AM

I don't have the time to look back, but I was wondering if anyone was expecting to see this figure?
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 09:59 AM

I don't have the time to look back, but I was wondering if anyone was expecting to see this figure?

Refer to my first post in this thread...

http://www.littlerub...ing super rares

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 10:02 AM

Here is a direct link to the actual post.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 10:03 AM

I don't have the time to look back, but I was wondering if anyone was expecting to see this figure?

Refer to my first post in this thread...

http://www.littlerub...ing super rares

:p

And to my posts with picture attachments in this thread...

http://www.littlerub...ble super rares

I have theorized for a while now that this figure along with the remaining undiscovered sculpts from Parts 15 and 21 actually exist. This discovery further proves that they were created.

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 10:06 AM

I have theorized for a while now that this figure along with the remaining undiscovered sculpts from Parts 15 and 21 actually exist.  This discovery further proves that they were created.

Not to be pedantic, but I don't recall you ever really "theorizing" as much as guessing or assuming that they exist.

At least, I've never heard your theory as to why you think they exist.

:p

Scratch that -- I see that you think they are from Canada. Blame Canada!

Edited by Soupie, 12 April 2006 - 10:10 AM.

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 10:13 AM

I have theorized for a while now that this figure along with the remaining undiscovered sculpts from Parts 15 and 21 actually exist.  This discovery further proves that they were created.

Not to be pedantic, but I don't recall you ever really "theorizing" as much as guessing or assuming that they exist.

At least, I've never heard your theory as to why you think they exist.

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The posts explain my theory, well...educated guess as to why these figures exist. The reason being that if the one or more of the figures from one particular part were created, why wouldn't the rest be? Until the discovery of the Kinkeshi Tree I wasn't sure, it was mostly specualtion. The discovery of the Kinkeshi Tree further proves this theory. That was the meaning behind all my posts about Parts 15 and 21. I am glad the tree was found to validate this.

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 10:30 AM

I got this figure in Chambersburg as well... all around the same time...

I probably should have checked on this auction a little more before starting it. I think I'll be closing the auction early tonight when I get home from work.

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 10:47 AM

Not to be pedantic, but I don't recall you ever really "theorizing" as much as guessing or assuming that they exist.

Ever since SHA and BHS, we have always assumed that the remainder of the Part 21 figures would pop up some day. Well before even DM arrived on the scene. We also (prior to Veers Mattel research) always thought the end of the MUSCLE line coincided with the release of Part 21 in Japan.

It's nice to see another Part 21 figure show up!
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 10:55 AM

I got this figure in Chambersburg as well... all around the same time...

Unless you had a HUGE collection of MUSCLEs (like arforbes) I think it is incredibly interesting that you managed to score two Non-poster MUSCLEs from part 21.

WTF does it mean?

We also (prior to Veers Mattel research) always thought the end of the MUSCLE line coincided with the release of Part 21 in Japan.

Part 15 -- DM and DE -- is the earliest part from which Non-Poster MUSCLEs derive.

The Eleven also stem from "later" parts, correct?

Part 15 aside for a moment, I'm wondering if the fact that Part 21 was being made as MUSCLEs and Kinkeshi has anything to do with the Non-Poster MUSCLEs.

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 11:01 AM

Part 15 -- DM and DE -- is the earliest part from which Non-Poster MUSCLEs derive.

The Eleven also stem from "later" parts, correct?

Correct and correct.



Part 15 aside for a moment, I'm wondering if the fact that Part 15 was being made as MUSCLEs and Kinkeshi has anything to do with the Non-Poster MUSCLEs.

I don't believe that this is the case. The capsules that contained the kinkeshi (3 per capsule) were always 1-2 from the current part, and 1-2 from one of the previous 2 parts. So, in a part 21 capsule, you would get 1 (maybe 2) part 21 figure, and 2 (or one) figure(s) from parts 19 and/or 20.
I have opened huge lots of Part 23, 24 and 25 capsules and this was always the case. Usually the filler figures were from the previous part, but every once in a while you got one from 2 parts prior. Always random though.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 01:57 PM

I don't believe that this is the case.

I'm not sure I was clear about what I was asking.

I interpreted what you said to mean Bandai was producing MUSCLE figures and Kinkeshi figures at the same time -- in particular, part 21.

Since we have found so many Non-Poster MUSCLEs from part 21, I'm wondering if there is a connection between the dual production and Non-Poster MUSCLEs.

I'm not sure how capsules being filled with sculpts from 3 parts is connected to what I asked. Are you saying that this means, for instance, that parts 19 and 20 were also being made at the time MUSCLEs were being made, and yet we don't find Non-Poster MUSCLEs from them?

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 04:15 PM

I was thinking that since Prt 28 was made in 87, that 15 would have been much earlier. Not so. I just checked my mini-books. Parts 15-26 are all dated 1985. So they would have been in production in the same yer that flesh MUSCLEs were run, assuming that MUSCLEs were done in '85.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 05:18 PM

I just checked my mini-books. Parts 15-26 are all dated 1985. So they would have been in production in the same yer that flesh MUSCLEs were run, assuming that MUSCLEs were done in '85.

Hm, all Non-Poster MUSCLEs discovered so far come from parts 15 and up... Parts 15 and up made in 1985.

Although full production may not have begun in 1985, it's conceivable that MUSCLEs were also made in 1985.

Coincidence?

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 06:46 PM

Super Rares found were from Part 15 (1985) to Part 28 (1987). MUSCLEs, according to the dates on their package, were manufactured in 1985 and distributed in 1986 and 1987. So it is definitely concievable that Parts 15 to 26 might be found as MUSCLEs. But the final 3 SR's were ll Part 28, well past the assumed manufacturing date of 1985.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 06:47 PM

And, I think we can safely rule out Part 26, as they weren't even remotely "intergalactic wrestler" in design. (well, maybe a couple of them were).
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 07:28 PM

So who got it? Or do I even have to ask?
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Posted 19 April 2006 - 05:09 PM

Here's the auction pics...

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 05:10 PM

And the Bid History... :KS:

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 09:24 PM

So will the seller disclose who obtained the "Super Rare" Bombay?
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Posted 20 April 2006 - 01:45 AM

So who got it? Or do I even have to ask?

Did the "Black Porn" guy with the buy out? :KS:
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