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[asator]

This me asking if this guy who runs http://m2museum.com needs any of the Micro Machines that I have.

-----Original Message-----From: asator@comcast.net [mailto:asator@comcast.net]Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:58 PMTo: mike@m2museum.com
Subject: Some MM that I have


Check out my photos and let me know if you need any of those.

Thanks,
Asator


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This is his reply to my innocent email.

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Micro Machines Museum" <mike@m2museum.com>

Since I'm the guy paying $20 per piece I don't have, do you think it makes more sense for me to review your pictures, or for you to review my want list and then tell me which pieces you have that I'll pay $20 each for? Or should I make the obvious assumption that you're a typical lazy person and you expect me to decide for you which pieces I'll pay good money for? Because frankly, I feel I've already done a good job of telling you what I need. If you're too lazy to match your pieces up against that, well, then you can go pound sand.

Get back to me when you're not the typical 13 year old who expects me to do his work for him, in exchange for the privilege of paying him money. If you want the money, then do the work. I have 6,100 Micro Machines. I'm not about to do your work for you for number 6,101 and pay $20 on top of it.

Get back to me when you grow up.

Here is my reply.

Subject:
RE: Some MM that I have

Message:
Honestly, I'm shocked at the reply that you have sent to me.

For one, I dont really care how much you want to pay for your MMs, you are the one who said that you would buy them for $20 each. Thats not a price I'm asking for them, its a price that YOU are apparently willing to pay. I was actually going to send you as many as you wanted, be it the whole bunch, for as much, or as little, as you wanted to offer, because I would rather see a collector end up with them instead of them sitting in my basement.

Now, when I read the line you had written on your site that says, "So if you have any Micro Machines at all, please contact me with a picture. I may need some of the ones you have..." I assumed that there you were looking for any and all MMs that you could find, since you said "if you have any Micro Machines at all, please contact me with a picture". Nowhere did you say, "only send me pictures of MMs that I need." or "Dont send me pictures of MMs that I already have. I saw that if I had ANY MICRO MACHINES AT ALL, CONTACT YOU WITH A PICTURE. Why would you put that up only to jump on the very same people who are just trying to help you out? I just dont see what I did to warrent this verbal attack. You could have put "I'm only looking to buy these MMs so dont bother sending me pics of anything other than these specific ones", but you didnt. You wrote, "ANY MICRO MACHINES AT ALL."

As far as me being lazy and deciding which MMs you want to buy, I'm the seller, its not my job to tell you what you should buy. Who am I to tell you what you should be willing to pay $20 for? Who knows, you may be looking to pay $.25 for doubles, I was just showing you what I had. Perhaps you like to customize or something and like to have more than one of each item on hand, I dont know. Any other type toy sale I've ever had has been in the format of - the seller showing goods to be sold or traded and the prospective buyer offering a trade or money for said goods.

Also, to call me a "typical 13 year old" is just rude. Even if I were, would that make me any more deserving of the disrespect that you have shown to me? I do expect you to do the work for me, I mean, YOU are the one making the website, YOU are the prospective buyer. Me, as the would be seller, have only three obligations, to not overcharge for shipping, to ship it safely and to not stiff you on the transaction. As long as I hold up that end of the deal, the rest is up to the buyer.

You make is seem like its some kind of chore for you to look at a few photos to see if there are any items there you want. To me, YOU sound lazy. "Oh I'm so busy I dont have time to look at a few photos that could possibly contribute to my awesome collection of Micro Machines. Instead I'll spend however long it takes to write this guy a nasty email for no real reason. How dare he try to help me out."

Honestly sir (I use this term loosly), I was just trying to help a collector out, as I know how awesome it is to have someone pop up and say "Hey, you know that thing you have been looking for? Yeah, I have it and am willing to sell it to you." You may think I'm some kind of greedy guy, but I'm really not. I was willing to give you a really, really good deal on anything you wanted because like I said, I'd rather someone who cares about MMs own them, instead of them sitting in my mildewy basement.

I dont know why you are so bitter. Perhaps your wife has left you because you spend so much time collecting 6100 Micro Machines, perhaps your parents never hugged you, maybe you just had a bad day. I cannot say. I just know that I was simply trying to help you find a few more items for your collection, but instead was put out for no good reason. Now, I would rather smash all these things with a hammer, than sell them to you for $10,000.

You, Mike, can go pound sand.

Now, is it me, or is this guy a complete A$$H0L3?

[Articulationnut]

Its not just you ...based upon whats shown...yeah he definitely over reacted.

[asator]

I was just trying to help out and honestly, I would have sold him the whole lot for $20.

I mean, if someone had emailed me about MOTU figures, directed from a site where I said that I was looking to buy some MOTU figures, and they sent me 10 pictures and asked if I needed any of them, I wouldnt have thought twice about looking at the pics and letting the guy know yes, or no. How hard is that? Especially if I didnt specify that I ONLY wanted certain figures. I mean, I've had people here offer to trade me some stuff that I have no intention of collecting and have made no mention of wanting to collect, but did I go off on them? No way, that would be rude.

Bottom line, I was just tryin to help him out and he completely went off without warning. I mean, a simple "No thanks" would have sufficed.

[Articulationnut]

When your hobby interest causes you to lash out abgrily or to become bitter or involved to an unhealthy degree emotionally...

Its time to step back.

Ive seen it a # of times with hobbyist who go on an ego trip due to a variety of reasons and whose personalities simply wont allow discussion . As Tongan By Nature would say ..they need to "chillax".

Pop some zoloft...get a partner...do something.

While that may not apply whole heartedly here...its still a good rule of thumb lol.

Edited by Articulationnut, 30 April 2007 - 12:01 AM.

[Soupie]

You make is seem like its some kind of chore for you to look at a few photos to see if there are any items there you want. To me, YOU sound lazy. "Oh I'm so busy I dont have time to look at a few photos that could possibly contribute to my awesome collection of Micro Machines. Instead I'll spend however long it takes to write this guy a nasty email for no real reason. How dare he try to help me out."

Honestly sir (I use this term loosly), I was just trying to help a collector out, as I know how awesome it is to have someone pop up and say "Hey, you know that thing you have been looking for? Yeah, I have it and am willing to sell it to you." You may think I'm some kind of greedy guy, but I'm really not. I was willing to give you a really, really good deal on anything you wanted because like I said, I'd rather someone who cares about MMs own them, instead of them sitting in my mildewy basement.

Excellent points, asator.

As a collector, I love nothing more than pouring over pictures of oddball figures looking for ones that I need or want doubles of.

Also, the second paragraph I quoted above: Sometimes when people know the figures/toys you want, they only sell to get money. If he would have simply looked at your photos, maybe he could have gotten one or two at a great price.

And AN is right, if his hobby has become so overbearing and stressful that he loses the joy of actually hunting them (athough some collectors, like Artimus Prime say they hate the hunt aspect) them and finding them, then I say he needs to take a breather.

However, I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and say he has dealt with one too many lazy 13 year old or was simply having a bad day.

[Tortle]

I can kind of understand where he's coming from: he may get a load of pictures in his inbox and he's tired of sifting through false alarms, so he would rather people just send him an email if they have something he needs.

But if that's how he feels, he should mention something to that effect on his website. However, this quote directly contradicts his email:

You can also take a look at my Want List to see some of the things I know I need. If you don't see it on my want list, I may still need it. So it's best to send me a picture anyway. (His emphasis.)

Not to mention he just comes across as an idiot, snapping at fellow fans like that. Chalk it up to an idiotic, greedy, asinine collector.

Anybody else imagining the greedy antagonist, Francis, from Pee Wee's Big Adventure while reading his email?

[Adamantiumwulf]

He also says on his site

You can also take a look at my Want List to see some of the things I know I need. If you don't see it on my want list, I may still need it. So it's best to send me a picture anyway.

He specificaly asks for pictures then tells you off about it. Maybe you should refer him back to his own website.

[jkaris]

Anybody else imagining the greedy antagonist, Francis, from Pee Wee's Big Adventure while reading his email?

Good analogy!

Yep, I agree, the guy is a douche.

[el midgetron]

If someone sent me an email like this, I would probably freak out and declare Jihad on him. What a prick. I suspect he looked at your photos and was annoyed you didnt have the items he is consumed with finding.

[TheOrgg]

If someone sent me an email like this, I would probably freak out and declare Jihad on him. What a prick. I suspect he looked at your photos and was annoyed you didnt have the items he is consumed with finding.

Anyone up for putting wheels beside MUSCLES and e-mailing him a hundred of those pictures?

[jkaris]

If someone sent me an email like this, I would probably freak out and declare Jihad on him. What a prick. I suspect he looked at your photos and was annoyed you didnt have the items he is consumed with finding.

Anyone up for putting wheels beside MUSCLES and e-mailing him a hundred of those pictures?

[asator]

Oh thank you guys! You restored my hope of sanity among the common populous.

You can also take a look at my Want List to see some of the things I know I need. If you don't see it on my want list, I may still need it. So it's best to send me a picture anyway.

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT TOO! I mean, seriously, thats what he said to do, I was just doing what he asked.



Ok, so I'm not nuts. Awesome. Thanks guys. I'm actually kind of looking forward to checking my email to see if he wrote back.




Sooo....

Anyone here into Micro Machines?

[asator]

Anybody else imagining the greedy antagonist, Francis, from Pee Wee's Big Adventure while reading his email?

My wife just read the whole thing and she said that all she could picture was the holier than thou, "Comicbook Guy" (real name: Jeff Albertson) from the Simpsons. She said that he has that air about him as though he thought, "I have 6000 Micro Machines! I dont have time to sift through your photos, PUNY MORTAL!"

[meatcutta78]

That guy is out of control.Thats what happens when you get involved with collecting little cars
If he collectted little rubber guys he wouldnt have this problem,what a chump.

[asator]

The saga continues...


This is him, quoting my reply.


-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Micro Machines Museum" <mike@m2museum.com>

See responses below.
-----Original Message-----
From: asator@comcast.net [mailto:asator@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:51 AM
To: Micro Machines Museum
Subject: RE: Some MM that I have


Honestly, I'm shocked at the reply that you have sent to me.

For one, I dont really care how much you want to pay for your MMs, you are the one who said that you would buy them for $20 each. Thats not a price I'm asking for them, its a price that YOU are apparently willing to pay. I was actually going to send you as many as you wanted, be it the whole bunch, for as much, or as little, as you wanted to offer, because I would rather see a collector end up with them instead of them sitting in my basement.

M: My statement is $20 for ones I don't have. Your small brain obviously freeze up when you saw the dollar sign in front of the two and the zero? Yep! That's what I thought.

Now, when I read the line you had written on your site that says, "So if you have any Micro Machines at all, please contact me with a picture. I may need some of the ones you have..." I assumed that there you were looking for any and all MMs that you could find, since you said "if you have any Micro Machines at all, please contact me with a picture". Nowhere did you say, "only send me pictures of MMs that I need." or "Dont send me pictures of MMs that I already have. I saw that if I had ANY MICRO MACHINES AT ALL, CONTACT YOU WITH A PICTURE. Why would you put that up only to jump on the very same people who are just trying to help you o ut? I just dont see what I did to warrent this verbal attack. You could have put "I'm only looking to buy these MMs so dont bother sending me pics of anything other than these specific ones", but you didnt. You wrote, "ANY MICRO MACHINES AT ALL."

M: You didn't even look at my want list. I think this tirade is the result of you realizing you didn't take any time whatsoever to see if there truly was something I needed and now you're lashing out at me for your knee jerk reaction to my posted offer.

As far as me being lazy and deciding which MMs you want to buy, I'm the seller, its not my job to tell you what you should buy.

M: I don't recall me complaining about you forcing me to buy anything. You're still lazy. Well, too lazy to check my want list. If you had spent half as much time comparing my want list to your vehicles as you have defending your incompetence, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Who am I to tell you what you should be willing to pay $20 for?

M: I don't recall registering a complaint on this point.

Who knows, you may be looking to pay $.25 for doubles, I was just showing you what I had.

M: You're just like every other twit who thinks they've got a diamond in the rough. They can't be bothered looking for it themselves? Much better these days to let somebody else do the work. English translation. You're lazy.

Perhaps you like to customize or something and like to have more than one of each item on hand, I dont know.

M: You're correct, you don't know. Nor did you do your homework so you could know. Instead, you took the typical approach of all those under the age of 6 and just fired off pictures and crossed your fingers. Does your mother beat you? I bet she does. Or is it your step father? I know you have a step father. He smacks you around once a week, doesn't he? Or is it every day?

Any other type toy sale I've ever had has been in the format of - the seller showing goods to be sold or traded and the prospective buyer offering a trade or money for said goods.

M: Good for you. I made no offer. Why the long Email in response?

Also, to call me a "typical 13 year old" is just rude. Even if I were, would that make me any more deserving of the disrespect that you have shown to me? I do expect you to do the work for me, I mean, YOU are the one making the website, YOU are the prospective buyer. Me, as the would be seller, have only three obligations, to not overcharge for shipping, to ship it safely and to not stiff you on the transaction. As long as I hold up that end of the deal, the rest is up to the buyer.
M: This is where you're dead wrong. Your first obligation as a seller is to offer your price. That's your first responsibility. You made no offer. You simply sent pictures. And again, until you have an offer from a perspective buyer, you have no buyer. As is the case here. All you have is an Email that will eat at you for days or weeks. But that's all going to depend on how quickly you decide to stop defending yourself and move on to something else. For me, this sort of thing is an interesting game in Email psychology. I always like to see how long it will take people like you to state certain phrases that convey you have nothing else intelligent to say. My guess is 2 more Emails from you and you'll type the first most common phrase.

You make is seem like its some kind of chore for you to look at a few photos to see if there are any items there you want.

M: Why is it such an affront to you that I refuse to use my time to review your unreviewed pictures when you're guilty of the same offense? I have a want list. You make it seem like its some kind of chore for you to look at a few photos to see if there are any items there I want.

To me, YOU sound lazy. "Oh I'm so busy I dont have time to look at a few photos that could possibly contribute to my awesome collection of Micro Machines. Instead I'll spend however long it takes to write this guy a nasty email for no real reason. How dare he try to help me out."

M: Have you taken a very close look in the mirror?

Honestly sir (I use this term loosly), I was just trying to help a collector out, as I know how awesome it is to have someone pop up and say "Hey, you know that thing you have been looking for? Yeah, I have it and am willing to sell it to you." You may think I'm some kind of greedy guy, but I'm really not.

M: No, you're not greedy, just excessively defensive and lazy.

I was willing to give you a really, really good deal on anything you wanted because like I said, I'd rather someone who cares about MMs own them, instead of
them sitting in my mildewy basement.

M: Hooray for the Micro Machine Anti-Mildew guy.

I dont know why you are so bitter. Perhaps your wife has left you because you spend so much time collecting 6100 Micro Machines, perhaps your parents never hugged you, maybe you just had a bad day. I cannot say. I just know that I was simply trying to help you find a few more items for your collection, but instead was put out for no good reason. Now, I would rather smash all these things with a hammer, than sell them to you for $10,000.

M: You're better taking your frustration about your daily parental beatings out on the toys. Because it will just get worse from here on out if you keep trying to take it out on me.

You Mike, as you so eliquently put it, can go pound sand.

Thank you, and good day.













Wow... Just... Wow...


Here is my last reply.

This quote from your website negates everything you say...

"You can also take a look at my Want List to see some of the things I know I need. If you don't see it on my want list, I may still need it. So it's best to send me a picture anyway."

Your words, not mine.

If you dont feel like sifting through photos, looking for something you need, then why allude to the fact that you are willing to? Honestly, I was just trying to help out. Not everyone is as hung up on money as you seem to be. You can think whatever you want though, I could care less.

Honestly, why would you be so rude to someone who was only doing what YOU asked them to do?!?! Remember? You wrote this down here...

"You can also take a look at my Want List to see some of the things I know I need. If you don't see it on my want list, I may still need it. So it's best to send me a picture anyway."

All I was doing was what YOU had asked on your website.

And as far as this goes: "M: Your better taking your frustration about your daily parental beatings out on the toys. Because it will just get worse from here on out if you keep trying to take it out on me."
My parents have never beat me. I'm 25 years old and live with my wife (who, while a pain in the but sometimes, also doesnt beat me), about 100 miles away from my parents. I think its funny that you would just assume that I'm some young kid. And as far as threatening me with "it will just get worse from here on out if you keep trying to take it out on me", I'm so effing scared.

All in all I've realized that you are a effing pinhead. Grow the eff up, get out, and lighten up.

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

No no no! Your doing it all wrong! The easiest way to have solved this problem is to have said in the beginning:

"I apologize if you took any offense at my email of pictures! I didn't even realize you had a wants section. I was just scanning through some random sites, trying to find some info on my old micromachines, and came across your statement asking to send pics. I really didn't mean to start anything. I came across a box full of some of my childhood toys, and was just doing some research. I originally had planned on donating most of this stuff to the Goodwill down the street, but I saw that you may have been looking for some pieces. Again I apologize and hope that I in no way have inconvenienced you. Have a great day."

I love you,
Sincerely,
Asator.



And I guarantee you that if that didn't melt his cold heart, nothing will. He would have felt like a douche, probably looked at your photos, and may have even bought something to deter his guilt from eating him up inside.

[asator]

No no no! Your doing it all wrong! The easiest way to have solved this problem is to have said in the beginning:

"I apologize if you took any offense at my email of pictures! I didn't even realize you had a wants section. I was just scanning through some random sites, trying to find some info on my old micromachines, and came across your statement asking to send pics. I really didn't mean to start anything. I came across a box full of some of my childhood toys, and was just doing some research. I originally had planned on donating most of this stuff to the Goodwill down the street, but I saw that you may have been looking for some pieces. Again I apologize and hope that I in no way have inconvenienced you. Have a great day."

I love you,
Sincerely,
Asator.



And I guarantee you that if that didn't melt his cold heart, nothing will. He would have felt like a douche, probably looked at your photos, and may have even bought something to deter his guilt from eating him up inside.

I'm almost positive that this guy would still have been snotty about the whole thing. He seems unreasonable to such an extent that I doubt anything would have made him not be an a$$hole about the whole thing. Oh well.

[doc_moore_j]

Just read this thread for the first time yesterday since I never really collected these, and damn that guy is a total prick. If he does ask to send pics just in case he wants some then jumps your ass like that for doing so I think he is a total pinhead. You should take a hundred pics, each with one micro machine on it, post it here so we can all download them, and each of us send him an email with an attached picture of one micro machine asking "Do you need this? Your site says send pictures" hahahhaa. Or we can each take a pic of a micro machine sitting on top of our chicken pox or wedged in between Alex's buttcheeks and send to him. I dont know, but I feel this guy needs a little harrassing and I am just the guy to help do it hahahaha.

[asator]

Just read this thread for the first time yesterday since I never really collected these, and damn that guy is a total prick. If he does ask to send pics just in case he wants some then jumps your ass like that for doing so I think he is a total pinhead. You should take a hundred pics, each with one micro machine on it, post it here so we can all download them, and each of us send him an email with an attached picture of one micro machine asking "Do you need this? Your site says send pictures" hahahhaa. Or we can each take a pic of a micro machine sitting on top of our chicken pox or wedged in between Alex's buttcheeks and send to him. I dont know, but I feel this guy needs a little harrassing and I am just the guy to help do it hahahaha.

Hey man, feel free! I was contemplating using some of my bogus email addresses to do the same thing. I was actually planning on taking one the ones he needs, yes I actually do have 2 that he needs, and taking pictures of me smashing them flat and sending those to him. My wife has the camera on the other side of the country right now or I would. But feel free to bug the crap out of him all you want.