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[THEGODBEAST]

Ok, this 2 toned green G1 muscle is SUPER ODD...He does NOT appear to be a color fade because to my knowledge there was never a dark green G1 Muscle. As far as a color transfer, I have never seen one that appears to blend so naturally like 2 different colors of injection molded plastic pellets would. I truly think this is a rare factory error color like some of the ones I have seen in the MIMP line. See the MIMP photo attached below.

I gave all of these muscles a soapy water bath w/ a tooth brush...most everything came off...except 2 flesh are stained beyond washing. Maybe oxiclean can do the job. There was some red clay or something on a few of them, but, it seem to come off for the most part w/ just soapy water and the toothbrush.

TGB

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Edited by THEGODBEAST, 14 November 2008 - 06:53 AM.

[matthewf1tz]

very nice! did we see a tangerine color one once? - maybe it was a similar mix up with the color pellets...

Edited by matthewf1tz, 10 November 2008 - 01:50 PM.

[THEGODBEAST]

I have now spoken to a couple of die hard collectors and they have NEVER seen anything like this. I will say this...this is NOT a sun fade, dye job, bootleg or custom. This is most likely a OOAK factory error figure due to 2 different color pellets being used in a mold.

I acquired these today from a local flea market seller. These are straight from a mother selling her kids old toys.

I know there are a couple of purples that there are only 9 & 11 known to exist, then there are a few that 14-20 are known to exist and the rest of the colors are common.

This figure is by far more rare than a purple claw, SHA, BHS, etc.. How many of those are out there? How many of these OOAK 2 toned factory errors have surfaced and such a beautiful specimen?

TGB

Edited by THEGODBEAST, 13 November 2008 - 12:57 PM.

[THEGODBEAST]

Gollum used to argue their were two tones of orange. I think, if anything, his figure(s?) was(were) like this figure - a true factory error.

I've seen so many discolorations - rarely have I felt it was a factory error. When I do come across the hard to decipher figure, I tend to lean towards factory error.

True factory errors could make for a very interesting collection. I'd love to start one, but I think I have enough to focus on right now.

Actually, I saw that photo of the tangerine colored figure Alex has and it is a different tone than the orange and the salmon, however, it is NOTHING like this actual 2 TONES on ONE figure example. Seriously...this figure's bottom dark green color is like NO MUSCLE color other than IF a single or couple of dark blue pellets were mixed into the bottom of the figure. The bottom of his feet are the same uniform dark green!!!

Here is an example of some vintage Boba Fetts I had and the green limbed one was a TRUE green head and limbed factory error or possible variant...NOT a color fade or deterioration of the plastic's color. Even the inside of the legs up in the hip and the inside of the holes on the bottom of his feet were the same exact green!!! I had SEVERAL die hard SW collectors try to get this figure from me for years...offering me $$$ and when I wouldn't sell it, then they tried to disclaim it calling it a sun fade and then compare it to the green limbed CHewbacca. Total Baloney! I have included several vintage SW color variation photos that are NOT color fades, but, rather different color injection molding plastic pellets. If you take a vintage C-3PO or Death Star Droid and remove the vacuumized gold or silver you will see that some of those figures were swirls of colors on each part/limb and then vacuumized over. That was a cost efficient way of making figures w/ left over or mixed pellets! Same concept in a way. I wish I had some of these as examples to show everyone what these 80's toy companies did w/ pellets. Anyone have any beat up vintage SW C-3POs or Death Star Droids they care to test for a little show and tell?

I know I am rambling...but, I am TRULY EXCITED w/ this find! Can ya tell?

TGB

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Edited by THEGODBEAST, 13 November 2008 - 12:58 PM.

[THEGODBEAST]

#63 Gohriki I am now renaming "#63 THE HULK!"

Edited by THEGODBEAST, 10 November 2008 - 08:22 PM.

[matthewf1tz]

Just so it's clear, I agree 100% with TGB. I have honestly never seen anything like this. Gollum's figure is an entirely different subject and shouldn't cloud anything about this figure.

sorry I was just thinking aloud in my post about 'tangerines' - I hadn't looked up the old posts at that point

Edited by THEGODBEAST, 14 November 2008 - 06:50 AM.

[meatcutta78]

I'd display it with a normal green Gohriki MUSCLE on one side and a green Gohriki keshi on the other side...

That is a great idea!
I would love to see that pic.

Edited by THEGODBEAST, 14 November 2008 - 06:51 AM.

[TheOrgg]

Well, this guy is a one-time purchase. Another two-tone comes up, and will you HVE to have it? Not really-- you got the first one that popped up...

...and this is the first factory error we've seen. It may be the ONLY one we see for quite some time.

[Soupie]

Where was the entry point of the plastic for this sculpt's mold -- the head or feet?

[THEGODBEAST]

Where was the entry point of the plastic for this sculpt's mold -- the head or feet?

The head is where the injection spot is. Alex asked me the same thing.

Here is the deal...it is obvious that there were 2 pellet colors injected into this mold. It appears to have been a dark green and then the neon green. When the plastic was melted it created a gradient color combo.

TGB

[Soupie]

The head is where the injection spot is. Alex asked me the same thing.

Here is the deal...it is obvious that there were 2 pellet colors injected into this mold. It appears to have been a dark green and then the neon green. When the plastic was melted it created a gradient color combo.

Hm, here's my theory...

It's darker at the feet and lighter at the head. The plastic was injected through the head, which means it would have been pushed to the feet first and then the head second and then on to the other figures.

If this sculpt was not the first to get hit with the plastic, then that means there are other whole dark green figures out there (or that were out there). Maybe this was actually a common thing: Left over pellets from other injection molded products get's mixed in with MUSCLE figures. When this happened, the factory workers would just toss the wrong colored figures.

For example, suppose they were making little plastic lemon slices for a Barbie play set. They put yellow pellets into the hopper. Once they're done making the lemons, it's time to start making MUSCLEs. They pour red pellets into the hopper to make red MUSCLEs, but there are a handful of yellow pellets still in the hopper. The first 2 or 3 trees of MUSCLEs come out yellow and yellow/red swirled, but these get thrown out by the factory workers.

Perhaps something similar happened with this figure, but since he was a swirl, he was missed and didn't get tossed. Maybe all the other figures one his tree were pure neon green. I'd imagine if a few figures on the tree came out dark green, they'd have just tossed the entire tree in the bin.

The only other option I can think of would be that the hopper temperature was too high or too low and this may have affected the color of the melted pellets. Once they saw the plastic was coming out too dark, they adjusted the temp and got it right. However, I don't think the color would be affected by melting temp... or would it?

[THEGODBEAST]

It is TOTALLY a possibility that the hopper had pellet colors from a different toy line all together and the reason I say this is because there is a slight difference in the bendability of the figure's legs compared to the arms...the arms to the torso blend are G1 plastic w/ the bendability, then the waist to the feet are stiffer, they still bend slightly, but, the plastic is harder.

If I were a G1 collector still, this would be my "Holy Grail," like my Gorilla w/ the unpainted face and Lazorlion's #101 w/ green toes!!! I know I seem like I am hyping the hell out of this figure, but, it is just way too kewl!!! I mean the colors, the character, the blend, etc...not to mention, the fact that we have all had probably hundreds of thousands of muscles pass hands and surface since the old AKIA and we have NEVER seen anything like this. Imagine the excitement when I found this in a bad of 130 asst. G1s from a local purchase!!! I was freakin' out to share it here on the forum. I seriously doubt any more of these will surface, although it COULD happen, it is highly unlikely due to quality control. Not to mention, a color combo and character as perfect as this...seriously, does he NOT remind you of the INCREDIBLE HULK? That came to me the more I looked at him over and over yesterday.

I think Soups is correct and I am fairly sure how this oddity happened in the factory, but, it isn't like I have ever worked w/ injection molding to know exactly how this would occur.

I truly love this figure for what it is and what it shows can happen in the production process. It is such a freakin' oddity in this massive toy line!

I have included some line up photos of a couple of odd lrgs w/ G1 muscles to show color examples. While the orange and green lrg monsters are not the same hues of orange or green of G1s, I guess I wonder if a plastics company in Hong Kong which is making SEVERAL different types of toys, not just Mattel's toys is making other little figures like these odd monsters (anyone know what they are btw?), what are the chances that plastic pellets used for them might be mixed or left in the hopper and then something like the "HULK" is made and is missed by quality control?

TGB

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Edited by THEGODBEAST, 14 November 2008 - 06:55 AM.

[jkaris]

Hey Marty, why don't you send it to Soups to document for Toypedia or to Nate to document for Nathan's M.U.S.C.L.E. Page before it goes to it's final home?

[THEGODBEAST]

Hey Marty, why don't you send it to Soups to document for Toypedia or to Nate to document for Nathan's M.U.S.C.L.E. Page before it goes to it's final home?

My mom is coming to town this weekend for the "Bras for the Cause" gala/auction...so when she brings her camera, I will snap as many close up killer photos as I can, just to be safe!

TGB

Edited by THEGODBEAST, 13 November 2008 - 01:01 PM.

[BaltanII]

...other little figures like these odd monsters (anyone know what they are btw?)

Power Rangers, or more accurately, Sentai keshi. But I don't remember which series it's from or what the monster is. Somebody (you, I thought, guess not) was trying to ID that figure for a while and out of the blue, someone gave it a positive ID. I'm sure it's still in the Toy Identification subforum still.

[THEGODBEAST]

...other little figures like these odd monsters (anyone know what they are btw?)

Power Rangers, or more accurately, Sentai keshi. But I don't remember which series it's from or what the monster is. Somebody (you, I thought, guess not) was trying to ID that figure for a while and out of the blue, someone gave it a positive ID. I'm sure it's still in the Toy Identification subforum still.

It was me. I had the orange guy first and then about a month ago I scored the green one. I didn't see anyone positively ID that orange one, so I didn't know. Thanks!

TGB

[BaltanII]

It was me. I had the orange guy first and then about a month ago I scored the green one. I didn't see anyone positively ID that orange one, so I didn't know. Thanks!

Good to know my memory's still up to par. You're welcome.

And I've got to add, but the first time I came into this thread, you scared me shizznitless talking about a rare variant and then picturing a green Ammonite.

Edited by Boaconda, 12 November 2008 - 01:51 PM.

[Tortle]

Hey Marty, why don't you send it to Soups to document for Toypedia or to Nate to document for Nathan's M.U.S.C.L.E. Page before it goes to it's final home?

Truthfully, I'd send it to Soups. He takes much better pics of figures than I do.

Although I'd love to have high-def pics of this thing on my site, so feel free to share, Soups.