31 replies to this topic

[jkaris]

Kewl Deal. Keep us posted

[arforbes]

Damn Veers, you're a badass! I had no idea you had been collecting the data for stuff like this. It is useful, it helps us keep track of stuff like this, especially the high priced figures. I'm glad you did it. You're the man!

[BaltanII]

Just let me know when someone here would actually let a SC go for that much!

[GRANDTHEFT]

Cool topic Veers
Some of the more memorable heated discussions we have had often have evolved
around satan X

I'm surprised that he's actually going at less than $10.00(us) per figure.

but i'm sure that just the singular figure would attract a higher price than a satan X
that happen to be in a larger lot.

we'll actually i've seen that happen many a time.

so if you want one , look for a lot that he's in, not a single figure for sale.



Mischa

[Mr.Monster]

Veers, are you using $.75 as the average for the commons when you figure this? Just wondering because obviously SC is worth more than the commons, so you can't just divide the price of the auction by the number of figures. Also, there would still be a little bit of a skew if you bought him in a larger lot, his value would come into play less in a 200 figure lot....

Edited by Goriki, 07 July 2004 - 02:11 AM.

[Mr.Monster]

Why? I fully understand that people pay more for SC when he is by himself. But when we first started keeping track of him there was more “mystique”. Since we’ve been keeping track of him there have been 36 sightings, not to mention all the people that already owned him. I bet if we picked another figure we could probably have similar sighting numbers.

The reason I say he's obviously more valuable is that you'd be lucky to get $1 out of any common figure listed by itself but I also agree that SC is probably overvalued when listed by himself. I don't think he's near as remarkable as he used to be, though I still contend he's rarer, but probably just slightly. I buy into your $7-$8 value a little more.

Edited by Goriki, 07 July 2004 - 06:49 AM.

[Sandy]

Auction 1: 20 figures (includes SC) @ $5.00 = $0.25 per figure
Auction 2: 75 figures (includes SC) @ $75.00 = $1.00 per figure
Auction 3: 15 figures (includes SC) @ $3.00 = $0.20 per figure

Your initial method only tells you the average cost per MUSCLE when a SC is included in a lot. Other than when the lot size is 1 (SC only), this doesn't tell you anything about the cost of a SC figure.

Here's another idea. If the average common MUSCLE is 75 cents, "n" is the number of MUSCLES in the auction and "sp" is the final selling price, use this formula to isolate how much of the final selling price the SC accounted for:

sp - 0.75(n-1)

This only works when the selling price was greater than 0.75(n-1), of course. When the selling price is less than 0.75(n-1), the SC was probably not widely identified by bidders, so the lot sold for less than it would have if advertised correctly.

Naturally this overly simplified formula isn't without its problems as well. The other items in the lot could be worth more or less than 0.75 each. You can make this formula as complicated as you want, accounting for other such "stand outs" appearing the lot and subtracting their average value from "sp" (along with 1 from "n") to adjust the individual SC cost accordingly.

Take your "Auction 2" as an example. 75 figures, $75:
$75 - 0.75(74) = $19.50

Saying the SC cost $19.50 in this auction seems to make more sense than saying it cost $1.

Just a thought.

Sandy

Edited by Sandy, 07 July 2004 - 11:55 AM.

[arforbes]

Lately there have been a number of M.U.S.C.L.E. auctions that have sold for over $1 per figure. Some even more! Now may be the time to start selling those extras!

[TheOrgg]

Remember about a year ago when MUSCLES were at a low point and everyone was freaking out because the auctions were finishing at twenty cents per figure and less?

...and at that point, it seemed like EVERYBODY on the board had no money!

Too bad, huh?
-With my rice I like to have some...

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

I figure If you want to get a good Idea of how rare SC is with some collectors go to http://muscledb.com/ There are 19 known SC figures documented on this site, but thats just barely behind a good many of the other fleshies that have been documented. For instance there are only 20 figures documented for 158, 21 for 131, and 22 figures, each, documented of numbers 233, 198, 60, and 32. Of course this only applies to the flesh colored figures, but that's still pretty close.

[jkaris]

He's new. He's new. He's new...

Weren't we all at one time or another.....

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Well I sure am new. But collecting Muscles isn't new to me, I just don't know all of the facts yet. I have been picking these guys up here and there for a good part of my life at flea markets and the such. Of course when I was younger I didn't have a real desire to collect them and when I was about 7 years old I sold the ones that I had by then to a fella at the flea market for about 6 bucks. I kick myself because now that I have been doing research on the internet about them I realize I had a SC along with a green hand and numerous others that weren't too valuable. I have already seen 3 auctions that contained a SC in them in the past 2 weeks, but he is my last priority at the moment. I am just going to continue bulking up my collection for the time being. As for my previous statement I just don't think SC is as rare as everyone believes. But I could be wrong and probably am. Oh yeah and as for the going rate for each figure, I won a lot of 188 muscles about 2 weeks ago on eBay for 38 bucks including shipping so that was roughly .20 cents apiece. I guess the holidays are a reason that the prices have been close to a buck apiece lately.?? Be patient with my ignorance.

Hey look it's a life story!

[Soupie]

As for my previous statement I just don't think SC is as rare as everyone believes.

Welcome.

I encourage you to browse through these Satan Cross-focused threads. They should provide you with a good idea of past, and current, AKIA thinking about SC, allowing you to better join the "discussion."

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Thanks for the welcome soupie! I looked through the threads as you advised this one was especially interesting. http://www.littlerub...wtopic=2516&hl=

P.S. Hayao Miyazaki is awsome!

[Tortle]

Interesting. Have you done a yearly (or semi-yearly) analysis? I'm curious to see the trends of increase or decrease in the value of Satan Cross. Although the prices have declined since your last update, since the data is a conglomeration of all the data so far, we can't see any temporal trends.

Anyway, it's awesome that you're still keeping this up-to-date. Good job, man!