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[jax0n]

Sorry Soupie, but you lost me..? What am I missing here?

Thanks,
Dave

[THEGODBEAST]

Have you even read any of the posts? 

We're looking for as much information as possible about the SHA. Only one person can buy it, but all of us can help to solve the Super Rare mysteries. For instance, where did you leave when you got it?

Veers has trouble with the English language sometimes...he meant, "Where did you LIVE when you got it?"

TGB

Edited by THEGODBEAST, 22 September 2005 - 03:04 PM.

[Nachoz God of Metal]

Sheesh crazy adults lol

[jax0n]

so nice to hear from you too, General Veers.. and yes, of course I've read all the threads. =)

One word for THE GOD BEAST... - AWESOME!
I swung on over to your site, and I must say that your work is very Impressive!!

As far as the question goes, I was born and raised in Beautiful "Smoggy" California. I was living in Glendale to be exact. Its a little ironic, because my wife & I still live in Glendale today.. "Different house though" LoL

Dave
jax0n@charter.net

[Soupie]

Do you know anything about the kid you got it from, i.e. did his dad deal with toys, Mattel, large women, or toy stores?

Did the SHA come in a blister pack or in a MUSCLE Garbage Can?

Were the two pieces ever attached?

The reason these questions are important, jaxon, are because SHA has never been found in official MUSCLE packaging, unlike SC.

There is lots of speculation as to why this might be*. Some of us are curious about SHA's origins. If you can answer any of the above questions, that'd be great!

*For instance, one theory is that SHA was only sold in Canada.

[Mr. T]

For instance, where did you leave when you got it?

God Damn It.

At any rate, Glendale blows up the Buffalo/Niagara Falls theory.

Not necessarily, the kid he traded with could have moved from that area.

[Soupie]

Or he could have been visiting his Uncle Sal in Buffalo and found it at fleemarket (next to some Buffalo wings).

[arforbes]

California?

[Soupie]

California?

Ha, ha, that's correct. All this time it was right under your nose!

[arforbes]

California? 

Ha, ha, that's correct. All this time it was right under your nose!

That's alright, I already have one. But that effs with the theory that the Super Rares might have originated from Canada as all of them, until now, have popped up in the North, Northeast areas of the U.S.

But then again, it could have travelled.

[jax0n]

Hey everybody. Whats up with the Buffalo/Niagara Falls theory? Just curious.
Anyway, I dont think this was mentioned before, but I'll be 31 next March. Just to give you an idea of how long ago all of this really was. The (SHA) was definitely loose and not in any Bin or Pack. I got it just the way you see it in the photos on the auction page.

*** If any of you live in California, hit me up cause I'd really like to put this "authenticity" thing to rest, and I'd be more than happy to meet up with any of you to do just that. Let me know.

Thanks,
Dave

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the super rares being in packs of Nestle Quick? They probably wouldn't have put them in 4 or 10 packs due to space restraints or breaks, but they might have jammed some new sculps in a pack of delicious chocolate mix! That might also explain the rarity of them, since the Nestle deal wasn't around too long. Just an idea. I'm sure someone has thought of this.

[Soupie]

1) Jaxon says he's had the SHA for 20 years! If that's accurate, SHA was around right at the start of the MUSCLEs coming out. However, since MUSCLEs were only in stores for such a short time -- unless jaxon can say otherwise -- we can't know for sure if he got it at the beginning of the MUSCLE run, or the end.

2) If he got it at the beginning, although possible, that is pretty damn quick for it to make its way down to California by chance. (I mean, the things were just not in demand. The best explanation would then be that it was originally placed in California by Mattel, or the kid's family moved after getting the SHA up North.)

3) If he got it after MUSCLEs had been around for a year or so, though still unlikely, it would have had more time to travel South West. (It's kind of like the LOtR Ring travelling to Sauron, except I think SHA was travelling toward Arforbes...)



4) The Nestle Quick can idea isn't bad, but I think it is already known what figures came with it (and they weren't special). But, still, that is a cool theory! (Don't forget about BHS, too!)

Also, cool avatar, Jaxon. Do you know anything about the kid who traded you the SHA? (I still remember the kids I traded MUSCLEs with.)

[Soupie]

Hey everybody. Whats up with the Buffalo/Niagara Falls theory?

All previous SHA figures (four, I think) have shown up on the radar screen in that general area, loose and with the two pieces seperated.

Everyone seems to have "traded" for it.

[doc_moore_j]

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the super rares being in packs of Nestle Quick?

I have never thought of that, or heard of it. However, it is a pretty cool idea. Aside from Veers, I do not know of anybody that has many of the nestle quick figures. He has somehow gathered quite a few of them. Since nobody really knows for sure, I would accept that theory as much as any other. Personally I think ARFORBES created them (just as he created a bunch of SC's hahaha ) in an attempt for fame and fortune since his car lifting career was cut short by a tragic accident where he slipped on poop and dropped a car on an old lady daring enough to crawl under the car trying to find his wiener. He was so torn up by the event that he started to live a life of bootlegging and porn. Its actually a pretty sad story, I can not dwell into it much further without crying so I will end here.

Oh yeah and jax0n, I live in San Diego and if you really felt like driving, I would authenticise it for ya, but honestly, looking at the pictures, it appears to be 100% legit. I would, and have bid on your auction with no hesitation. Besides, I am just another guy, not to mention a chronic liar, people might not believe me either hahahah.

As far as the NY theory smashed, these things travel all over the damn place. The majority were found northeast so by one being found in cali does not disprove the theory. Maybe the mexicans had some super rares too.

I love you guys. Even Veers the a-hole.

[jkaris]

4) The Nestle Quick can idea isn't bad, but I think it is already known what figures came with it (and they weren't special). But, still, that is a cool theory! (Don't forget about BHS, too!)

Not so. No one knows for sure what all figures were available that way.

And if it were true, that they were only available that way, then that would explain why so few have shown up on the radar screen.

That being said, this Toyfare exposure should bump more collections to eBay, and who knows what might pop up.

[gilgar]

Has anyone thought of the possibility of the super rares being in packs of Nestle Quick? They probably wouldn't have put them in 4 or 10 packs due to space restraints or breaks, but they might have jammed some new sculps in a pack of delicious chocolate mix! That might also explain the rarity of them, since the Nestle deal wasn't around too long. Just an idea. I'm sure someone has thought of this.

I don't know would it fit in the package? Hey Veers, are all those Nestle packages the same size or do they vary??????

Hey yeah, Jaxon give us a name so we can hound him too!!!! If Zabasearch don't find him we can try classmates.com Seriously tho it would be real cool to find out more.

Nathan, do you have a contact number/email for the guy that interviewed you. If so, you need to point out the SHA auction and see if he'll put that in there too---that ought to bring some more out!!!!

[jkaris]

Nathan, do you have a contact number/email for the guy that interviewed you.  If so, you need to point out the SHA auction and see if he'll put that in there too---that ought to bring some more out!!!!

Hell, someone forward him a screen shot from that BHS auction this year that went for close to a grand! Really though, can you imagine the exposure the community would get based on Toyfare running an article about the super rares and their astronomical prices? Every one and their brother would be digging through attics looking for their MUSCLEs, which would do 3 things:

1. More super rares would no doubtedly surface, and...

2. There would be so many muscle auctions that prices for average figures would plummet to pretty damn low, and...

3. Our community would probably double or triple as soon as the nostalgia hit.

[jax0n]

Hey everybody, the kid I traded with was a school chum of mine named Memo. How could you ever forget a name like that? This was exactly the way he spelled it, too. We were going to Thomas Jefferson elementary school in Glendale. We were friends up until 6th grade because I left the Glendale School District and began Junior High at John Muir in Burbank. And after that, Burbank High.
As for Memo, I cant remember what his last name was, but after elementary school, he probably went on to Toll Junior High, then Hoover High School in Glendale. And he would have graduated in 93' like me. I guarantee you that this would have been the path Memo took only if he never moved from the Glendale area. He was really short, and had a bunch of brothers & sisters. Sorry guys, but this was a LONG time ago, and these are really the only details I can remember.

Also, I have (1) grape colored figure which I have no clue where it came from. My point being, is that I stopped collecting M.U.S.C.L.E.s before the colored ones ever came out. Thats the only thing I can think of as to why I never had any color M.U.S.C.L.E.s. (except for the mysterious grape one) =)
But I do remember seeing them on the shelves at Toys R Us back when my dad used to take me. Ahh, "the Good ol Days"!!

** This next bit of info has nothing to do with (SHA), but I thought it might be pretty cool for all of the Mattel enthusiasts here. I spoke to my mom earlier today and she told me something that I totally forgot about. (I was really young).. Back in '78, she was the Executive Secretary to some Big-Wig Controller at Mattel back when it was still in Hawthorne. His last name was Rioux. This is what she tells me..

Dave

[jkaris]

Email sent to Toyfare:

Subject: Outrageously priced M.U.S.C.L.E.s

Hello,

Recently you interviewed a friend of mine from Nathan's M.U.S.C.L.E. page for the piece in issue #99 concerning Satan Cross. I would like to point out that although he is the most valuable of those that have been found still sealed in M.U.S.C.L.E. packaging, he is far from the most valuable.

There are 4 known figures to date of whom have a scarcity and value make the Satan Cross figure seem like peanuts.
http://www.littlerub...?showtopic=2420

Spinning Head Ashuraman, who has gone for as much as $400+ and of which there is currently an auction on eBay which should easily eclipse that:
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

Black Hole Sunshine, who sold last year for an ASTOUNDING $910 (which surpassed the price of $400 for the previous M.U.S.C.L.E. high dollar amount)

Drunken Master and Black Emporer, who have a current known quantity of 1 each. These were both "lot" finds, so their actual market value is yet to be seen.

So in the interest of generating more exposure for our online community and possibly unearthing other, as of yet, unknown figures, I just thought I'd let you guys know.

And while the common 235 M.U.S.C.L.E.s may average between .50 and $1 each, there are a handful of non-poster sculpts that reach insane amounts on the open market.


Thank you for your time,

-Johnny
http://www.kinnikuman.com

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Holy Crap! As long as you guys have been here, and none of you ever thought of the Nestle idea? Glad to be the first. By the way. I thought California was the major receiver of Foreign goods from China and Japan. I mean it wouldn't be to far fetched to think that tons of super rares were shipped through California, and then everywhere else. So it would seem feesible for at least one to pop up in that location right? Help me out if I'm wrong.