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[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Here are the 28 packs contents according to Nathan's site.

Thug Busters:
10, 13, 17, 21, 24, 25, 26,
38, 43, 44, 48, 49, 51, 53,
54, 64, 67, 70, 72, 76, 78,
84, 90, 91, 95, 103, 161, 232

Cosmic Crunchers:
18, 45, 47, 79, 86, 88, 81,
83, 89, 92, 97, 105, 114, 120,
128, 129, 132, 144, 184, 188, 196,
192, 198, 200, 201, 202, 203, 205

Mighty Maulers:
5, 6, 12, 52, 57, 59, 63,
74, 80, 87, 94, 115, 169, 170,
171, 173, 175, 176, 193, 194, 204,
207, 209, 212, 214, 218, 226, 230

Cosmic Showdown:
4, 7, 8, 9, 32, 37, 62,
65, 66, 69, 98, 99, 119, 121,
122, 127, 130, 137, 142, 146, 147,
148, 150, 158, 159, 160, 162, 233

Here are the Results using my tree information. Complete means that the whole tree that I decoded was used.

Thug Busters:
Kinnikuman Part 2
U.S. Tree one: 17, 21, 26, 43, 44, 54, 67, 103 Complete
U.S. Tree two: 10, 13, 24, 25, 38, 48, 49, 51, 53 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 3
U.S. Tree three: 161 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 5
U.S. Tree three: 64, 72, 76, 90, 232 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 6
U.S. Tree one: 70, 78, 91 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 7
U.S. Tree one: 84, 95 Complete
OVERALL SCORE: PERFECT!!!!!

Cosmic Crunchers:
Kinnikuman Part 5
U.S. Tree two: 45, 83, 88, 89 Complete
U.S. Tree four: 79, 81, 132, 144 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 7
U.S. Tree three: 18, 47, 86, 92, 97, 114 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 10
U.S. Tree one: 120, 128, 129, 184 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 19
U.S. Tree one: 105, 188, 192, 196, 198, 200, 201, 202, 203, 205 Complete
OVERALL SCORE: PERFECT!!!!!

Mighty Maulers:
Kinnikuman Part 4
U.S. Tree one: 5, 6, 12, 52, 57, 59, 63, 74, 226, 230 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 6
U.S. Tree two: 80, 94 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 7
U.S. Tree two: 87, 115 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 17
U.S. Tree two: 169, 170, 171, 173, 175, 176 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 18
U.S. Tree one: 193, 194, 204, 207 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 20
U.S. Tree two: 209, 212, 214, 218 Complete
OVERALL SCORE: PERFECT!!!!!

Cosmic Showdown:
Kinnikuman Part 3
U.S. Tree one: 4, 7, 8, 62, 122 Complete
U.S. Tree two: 65, 66, 69, 130, 233 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 8
U.S. Tree two: 98, 99, 148, 150 Complete
U.S. Tree four: 37, 158, 160, 162 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 9
U.S. Tree two: 9, 146, 147, 159 Complete
Kinnikuman Part 12
U.S. Tree one: 32, 119, 121, 127, 137, 142 Complete
OVERALL SCORE: PERFECT!!!!!

Comments? Question? I was quite suprised myself at the accuracy of the color code!!!! Soupie has a copy of all my data and can confirm all of this himself, if anyone is concerned about it. Isn't this Great!!!! It's so Freaking Awesome!!!!

[arforbes]

Truly astonishing!

[jkaris]

I was just thinking about the 28 packs today too and was going to check them. Great work man! This validates your tree layouts.

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

I know!!!! I think I've reached the plateau of the Muscle Hobby!!! I writhing in accomplishment right now! Man!!! We would still have nothing if Alex didn't find that Keshi String! I still can't wait till Soupie finishes his Parts pages with the information I gave him! The setup of the first part he did looked great! When he finishes the site, everyone will have a better understanding of the Trees, and an easy to use sale/trade reference guide to the scarcity of each colored muscle.

[GRANDTHEFT]

Great work URS
Your've been doing some in depth research , with a fair few hours thrown in i bet
i'm glad your theory has been validated , this also proves why these matters take so long to solve , No Bastar.d wants to put in the hard work!



Well done mate , i for one appreciate the effort.




Mischa

[Soupie]

Very cool! Nice work!

You said you had expected to find a pattern with the 28 packs, but why not with 4 packs and the Garbage Can?

[doc_moore_j]

You said you had expected to find a pattern with the 28 packs, but why not with 4 packs and the Garbage Can?

Not sure if this helps, but my case of 144 four packs had several identicle four packs, on top of that, if they were not identicle they had the same colored muscles (for example, I was hoping for some purple and red claws, I got only 8 or so flesh claws). Can you imagine finding the case with all the purple claws, jackpot! Or the case with all the SR's hahahahaha.

[TheOrgg]

So what publisher accepts tawny little books about niche hobbies and publishes people who go nuts and try to reverse-engineer how little plastic toys were made twenty years ago?

And which of you two are going to start writing the book?


And who'll do the introduction to the book and cover the history of MUSCLE collecting? I'd say Darren should do the intro, and Nate the Intro/History...


Or are we getting ahead of ourselves?

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

You said you had expected to find a pattern with the 28 packs, but why not with 4 packs and the Garbage Can?

Data from a case of unopened 4 packs might help with this question. Hmmm....Who do I know who has a factory case of unopened four packs.....Hmmm....

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Great work URS
Your've been doing some in depth research , with a fair few hours thrown in i bet
i'm glad your theory has been validated , this also proves why these matters take so long to solve , No Bastar.d wants to put in the hard work!



Well done mate , i for one appreciate the effort.




Mischa

Thanks man! I put my whole weekend into this data, and most of the hours were back to back, so I hope nobody thinks I did all of this in like 2 of 3 hours.

[jkaris]

Data from a case of unopened 4 packs might help with this question.  Hmmm....Who do I know who has a factory case of unopened four packs.....Hmmm....

We already looked throught the 4 packs. Alex and myself. Other than the fact that a case contains pretty much the same lot of figures, they are not tied to any particular part. Each pack seemed to have figures from 4 different parts.

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

So you found a mixture of figures from all 21 parts throughout a case? And not a large percentage of figures from the same few parts? The contents of each individual 4 pack isn't really as important as the whole cases figure content. Was any particular part more abundant than others within a case?

[jkaris]

So you found a mixture of figures from all 21 parts throughout a case? And not a large percentage of figures from the same few parts? The contents of each individual 4 pack isn't really as important as the whole cases figure content. Was any particular part more abundant than others within a case?

I didn't go through the whole case. I sampled 4 from each case. 4 colored 4 flesh and 4 halfers.

Full case data I don't have, other than maybe on a colored case, which I have almost a full one left. Half a case of halfers and not many left of the fleshies.

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

I'd say that in this situation, the colored case data is more important. However, your a very busy person, and I hardly expect you to spend your valuable time in compiling a whole case of data. It might be better if we leave that bit of information unsolved for the moment, and focus on trying to find a bigger relationship between the tree data we've got right now..

[TheOrgg]

Scanning a bunch of 4-packs and letting someone else work out the different contens might be enough, right?


I'm quite interested to see how Satan Cross 4 packs pan out at this point...

Do you think distribution of figures in each pack could've changed in each of the tree waves?

for example, in a Pink pack, you find Hand, Mr. Tea, Kinnikuman, and Warsman, but for some reason, can't find that assortment in mixed or colored four packs?

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

Possibly. That would be according to which trees were molded at the same time. They could switch up trees as much as they wanted really, and still continue to use some trees continually. The key is not finding which trees were packaged together, but if the figures on a single tree are constant throughout a factory case. This would tell us if they packaged four packs all at once from a big vat of randomly assorted figures after molding every single tree, or if they packaged figures after each individual molding process was finished.

I think that makes sense.....

[Beligerant1]

So what are you guys' theories on why they decided to skip certain colors for all of the trees? Did they overproduce before they got finished rotating the colors through all the trees? Did they do it on purpose to stimulate collectors to find rare (nonexistent) colors? Just oversight?

[Universal Ruler Supreme]

I doubt it has anything to do with that, it may just be that they were on a tight production schedule, and the guy in charge just told them to start making more colors before they got to all the sculpts. And when it comes to the trees with only 4 colors, they were probably told to stop production before they got to them. Dunno. I don't think we will know why they did it, But it's possible that we will find a tree rotation.